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Socialist rubbish.
What's the view like from your soapbox? Haven't a clue how old you are but i remember her entire reign,one heartless self serving woman if i ever saw one.She divided families,destroyed entire communities,looked after the rich at the expense of the poor,kowtowed to dictators like Pinochet,was weak on South Africa when Apartheid was running wild due to her son's business interests out there, labelled Nelson Mandela a "terrorist" and close to the bone for me was complicit in the Hillsborough cover-up.i don't dance on anyone's grave but i certainly won't mourn her. 10 million of tax payers money on a ceremonial funeral akin to the QM & Diana? shocking :angry:
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You're right about Hillsborough Sam, also she brought in Clause 28 in schools which meant anyone who was confused about their sexuality couldnt get counselling for it, and I believe that resulted in many deaths from HIV/AIDS (because no one said that condoms could be used in gay sex). Thank heaven that stupid law was repealed.
I didnt know she said that about Mandela :rage: I was probably too young but I remember the Pinochet affair vaguely.

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HungFist wrote:There was nothing wrong with the joke Grim, and perhaps Mark wasn't directly referring to the joke either (though I know he doesn't see humor in death). Celebrating someone's death and telling an innocent joke are two very different things.
I found the joke offensive and opportunist. I know Grim didn't come up with it, but I was disappointed he repeated it. Laughing at someone's death is cheap and usually reserved for someone the calibre of Hitler or Saddam. Like I said, disagree with Thatcher's politics all you want, but she was an ordinary human who made mistakes, and thought she was doing the right thing for Britain. She deserves a better legacy than the bile spewed by the hard left.
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saltysam wrote:What's the view like from your soapbox? Haven't a clue how old you are but i remember her entire reign,one heartless self serving woman if i ever saw one.She divided families,destroyed entire communities,looked after the rich at the expense of the poor,kowtowed to dictators like Pinochet,was weak on South Africa when Apartheid was running wild due to her son's business interests out there, labelled Nelson Mandela a "terrorist" and close to the bone for me was complicit in the Hillsborough cover-up.i don't dance on anyone's grave but i certainly won't mourn her. 10 million of tax payers money on a ceremonial funeral akin to the QM & Diana? shocking :angry:
We'll leave the politics aside for a moment...

"I don't dance on anyone's grave but I certainly won't mourn her."

...and that's the thing... no one is asking you to.

I have no problem that you disagree with Thatcher's politics - you gave several strong examples why. But to talk about 'dancing on someone's grave' (as that oaf George Galloway did) is grossly offensive and wholly unjustified. Should 'the left' mourn for Thatcher? No, why would they? She was anti everything they stood/stand for. But to disrespect someone in death is beneath contempt. Ed Milliband struck the right note by saying that whilst he disagreed with her politics he respected her achievements and recognised her as one of Britain's most important and formidable figures (Tony Blair said much the same on CNN). If you look at the people making the vile jokes and celebratory 'tweets' they tend to be the sort of arseholes that contribute nothing to this country but class hatred (and BTW I'm working class). You asked my age? I'm 33, so just old enough to remember Thatcher (I was one of those kids that watched the news... lol). But to flip that point over: How old were the 'students' popping champagne corks in Glasgow? Were they even born when she was in power? Doubtful. They grew up I'm sure on tales of the bogeywoman and her hatred of working class people (of which she was one herself).

Back to politics...

Thatcher's stance on Gen. Pinochet and Nelson Mandela was completely wrong. You'll get no argument form me on that. She took the wrong side. She fucked-up. Was this because she was a nasty person? Or a flawed person?

Hillsborough... "close to the bone"... did you lose someone? If so, I'm sorry. And if you were there, it must have been shocking and distressing for you. I take nothing away from the pain of your experience. Just want to make that clear. The extent of Thatcher's role in any 'cover-up' has yet to be proven beyond her reticence to condemn the police based on the Taylor report (and false evidence supplied to her from Yorkshire Police). If it can be proven that Thatcher knew exactly what had happened, knew who was to blame, and then was complicit in a government scale cover-up, you can be sure that my condemnation of her behaviour would stand alongside yours.

The slow death of working communities was badly handled - made a thousand times worse by the unions who tried to hold the government to ransom as they had done throughout the 1970s. That meant Thatcher focused on destroying the unions instead of helping the workers move forward. The pits had to close, but without the battle against the unions, the closure may have played out differently. Thatcher lacked compassion, no doubt. Cruel? I can understand that POV if you were on the receiving end of hardship. A combination of government failure to 'do the right thing' by workers and by workers themselves to accept the inevitable drew a lot of unnecessary bloodshed. The fatcat Union leaders made out quite nicely, thanks.

The 80s was for many a decade of aspiration - working class people owning property? Unheard of. Should social housing have been built to replenish lost properties? Yes. But successive governments have had 20 years to fix that. Did 13 years of Labour undo any of the perceived harm Thatcher did?
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I agree what Galloway said was offensive too. No need for that TBH. But he's an idiot.
Once again I'm sorry about the joke Mark - though doesnt that quote show the contempt Thatcher held some of the people in this country in? Sounds very much like the "me me me" culture of the decade (particularly the rich)
I guess she did improve things in some ways, because there was a massive tax rate in 1979 (top rate 83%) and taxes were brought down for the low paid (as well as the wealthy). Unfortunately the poll tax hurt the poorest people as it acted regressively. VAT increased from 7% to 17.5%.
However contrary to the famous "milk snatcher" jibe she decided to give free milk to nursery/primary kids (abolished under Heath's Government). She must have worked very hard in politics and I can see why she's historically important, but even though she was PM I'm not sure she had any women in her cabinet?
I dont like the Tory stance on the NHS or the fact she implimented Clause 28 in schools either.
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The 80s was for many a decade of aspiration - working class people owning property? Unheard of. Should social housing have been built to replenish lost properties? Yes.
Nicked from elsewhere- "The Council House Sell Off

The great council house sell off, Thatcher’s plan to turn the working class into the new property class, was a manifest failure; more than a third of ex council houses now sit in the property portfolios of wealthy landlords. In fact, the son of Thatcher’s Housing Minister at the time the ‘Right to Buy’ scheme was launched is now the proud owner of no less than forty ex council houses.

The limited remaining council housing rationed out to the poorest of the poor with council housing waiting lists and mortgages ever further out of reach, everyone else is a hostage to the private rental market dominated by these landlords.

Since then, decades of defunct housing policy has left the UK with a housing shortage crisis. The UK is building 100,000 homes a year less than it needs to in order to meet requirements. The National Housing Federation issued a report last year which showed Housing Benefit has doubled in recent years as a direct result of an astronomical increase in housing costs. The report shows an 86% rise in housing benefit claims by working families, with 10,000 new claims coming in per month. House prices are now 300% higher (in real terms) than in 1959. If the price of a dozen eggs had risen as quickly, they would now cost £19. Rents across the UK have risen by an average of 37% in the UK in just the last three years."
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To be fair, I did acknowledge the flaw(s) in Thatcher's plan, forgot about the greedy landlords, I admit, but the initial idea was sound and did offer MANY working class a better life (some of my family included). Like I said, I'm more than happy to discuss mistakes and bad decisions, but what I wont do is indulge in bad taste or partisan socialist bullshit. And to reiterate, if these decisions were so awful, why didn't Labour - the party of the working man once upon a time... - reverse or improve upon them? Answers on a postcard to Millbank.
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3 minute song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LQorn0pupw :D
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Looks like a number from the Wizard Of Oz is going to crash into the charts this weekend.
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...which just shows the mentality of the haters.
I hope Radio One refuses to play it.

Watched Question Time earlier - a surprisingly balanced program from the normally partisan BBC.
I'm sure subscribers to the Socialist Worker were outraged.
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I hope Radio One refuses to play it.
Why? if people buy the tune and it gets into the charts then it should be played.what's the problem?
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Even if the song may be in slightly poor taste, I agree with you (I havent bought it btw). Its just a funny song.

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To not play it would be political correctness gone mad. plus i'm sure The Daily Mail readership will be "outraged" which is good a reason as any to give it an airing.
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Apparently Radio 1 are saying they'll play a 5 second clip now, either play the full song or don't play it :?

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saltysam wrote:Why? if people buy the tune and it gets into the charts then it should be played.what's the problem?
Censorship versus good taste? I suppose good taste has to lose. Britain is already a laughing stock in the eyes of the world over this debacle. I don't suppose a stupid song is going to make any difference. Anyone downloading it (mainly ignorant students who weren't even born when Thatcher was in power) should be ashamed.
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Britain is already a laughing stock in the eyes of the world over this debacle.
is it? i doubt the rest of the world is particularly arsed.
Markgway wrote:ignorant students who weren't even born when Thatcher was in power) should be ashamed.
it's a free country,if these ignorant students want to get their kicks by trying to get this to top the charts what's the big deal? i certainly wouldn't buy it but each to their own.
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saltysam wrote:is it? i doubt the rest of the world is particularly arsed.
You'd be surprised. Footage was shown on CNN. These things don't go unnoticed.
it's a free country,if these ignorant students want to get their kicks by trying to get this to top the charts what's the big deal? i certainly wouldn't buy it but each to their own.
It's a national embarrassment. I have no time for socialists, but at least the older set actually lived through the 1980s. These young cork-popping twerps were barely even born. Why the personalised hatred for someone they never even knew? I think one's reaction to Thatcher's death speaks volumes about that person. The 'haters' (not to be confused with those who simply disapproved of her policies) have shown themselves up as thoroughly nasty pieces of work.

I think this local article about sums them up:

http://www.brixtonblog.com/woman-jailed ... xton/11432
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Well if the BBC decide not to play Ding Dong, they'd better not play songs chosen by supporters as tributes (True Blue, or I'm in Love with Margaret Thatcher) I believe. That would be hypocrisy of the highest order. Either there is a taste and decency issue or there is not.
Strangely enough the 2nd song was meant as an ironic pisstake - yet I dont see the Daily Mail getting on their high horse about standards of taste for this one.

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Upon reflection it would be best to play the song uncut (apparently it lasts under a minute). Decent people know the score, so why pander to the sickos by giving them the controversy they desperately crave?
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Something we agree on :D

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Really inappropriate and NSFW:

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Fucking hell!
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:lol: :thumbs:

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Scottish voice activated elevator:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Az_UvnUeuU :lol:

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