Broken Arrow: R2FR DVD vs French Blu-Ray
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Broken Arrow: R2FR DVD vs French Blu-Ray
Blu top.
DVD bottom.
Both are encoded using Mpeg-2 (the differences in hue are genuine).
Title:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU1.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD1.jpg
Random shot:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU2.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD2.jpg
Close-up:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU3.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD3.jpg
Wide shot:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU4.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD4.jpg
Bright shot:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU5.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD5.jpg
Random shot:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU6.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD6.jpg
Cropped BD, god-awful horizontally stretched DVD.
Might as well upgrade if you like the film.
DVD bottom.
Both are encoded using Mpeg-2 (the differences in hue are genuine).
Title:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU1.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD1.jpg
Random shot:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU2.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD2.jpg
Close-up:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU3.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD3.jpg
Wide shot:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU4.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD4.jpg
Bright shot:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU5.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD5.jpg
Random shot:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENBLU6.jpg
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ENDVD6.jpg
Cropped BD, god-awful horizontally stretched DVD.
Might as well upgrade if you like the film.
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Some of them shots are superb compared to the dvd, esspecially the very last image which is far better. Others not so much, but still no compression and blocking alone makes it better for me, then add in the shit edge enhancement on the standard dvd and its poor. I still have the Region 1 first release on dvd, it is not even anamorphic!
But Whats with the odd vertical lines on the BR? does that show up as vertical stepping when watching the film?! as that would be bad and maybe unwatchable like the shitfest Warner transfers with the strange vertical jaggiess like The Fugitive! which is pretty much the worst transfer on HD for me.
I will be getting the film when its cheap on BR, as frankly its never going to get any better than that. Most reviewers say posative things abaout he transfer as well, maybe the shots above are just some lesser scenes? as some good reviewers gave it hight marks picture wise.
But Whats with the odd vertical lines on the BR? does that show up as vertical stepping when watching the film?! as that would be bad and maybe unwatchable like the shitfest Warner transfers with the strange vertical jaggiess like The Fugitive! which is pretty much the worst transfer on HD for me.
I will be getting the film when its cheap on BR, as frankly its never going to get any better than that. Most reviewers say posative things abaout he transfer as well, maybe the shots above are just some lesser scenes? as some good reviewers gave it hight marks picture wise.
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Are you talking about the vertical lines in the clouds (cap N°5)?
It looks like the kind of banding you get with some LCD videoprojectors.
Haven't seen it in motion yet.
The whole background behind Slater is "Macroblock City".
It looks like the kind of banding you get with some LCD videoprojectors.
Haven't seen it in motion yet.
Your eyes are shit, man. Look at the second cap.Romero wrote:but still no compression and blocking
The whole background behind Slater is "Macroblock City".
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The vertical lines are in the clouds yes they are also in all the other images to varying visability, look at the eyes of people on the last cap small lines strange, very liney transfer? or PC based problem?
Yup I can see that tiny blocking now, the sun was on my screen makes images look better than they are, its not as serious as others thats for sure, but I guess it does depend on how much it moves about as they are not Big chunky blocks.
Yup I can see that tiny blocking now, the sun was on my screen makes images look better than they are, its not as serious as others thats for sure, but I guess it does depend on how much it moves about as they are not Big chunky blocks.
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Ahh just checked on a few forums the vertical lines are talked about by a fair few people and many people hate them and got rid of it as its unwatchable to some people. Bollcoks!
But some say set it to 720 and they disapear for some (not all) people! strange!
But vertical lines is a odd thing.
If we can see it in caps, then obviously its part of the transfer? or is that not so, could be player related?
But some say set it to 720 and they disapear for some (not all) people! strange!
But vertical lines is a odd thing.
If we can see it in caps, then obviously its part of the transfer? or is that not so, could be player related?
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@Yeah, sorry. I replaced my post with this one.
It's all part of the resizing algorithm.
Now you see 'em:
And now you don't:
It all depends on what kind of resizing method you use.
Regarding the 1920x1080 caps, it has to do with how your monitor deals with high-frequency detail (or whatever you call it).
But the lines are there, that's for sure.
That one I can explain.Romero wrote:some say set it to 720 and they disapear for some (not all) people
It's all part of the resizing algorithm.
Now you see 'em:
And now you don't:
It all depends on what kind of resizing method you use.
Regarding the 1920x1080 caps, it has to do with how your monitor deals with high-frequency detail (or whatever you call it).
But the lines are there, that's for sure.
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Some displays will actually hide those lines completely, while others will make them stand out.
Of course it'd be better if those lines weren't there in the first place.
Of course it'd be better if those lines weren't there in the first place.
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Well I set my screen to 1080 (I forgot I changed it from a lower setting) the difference full 1080 on my screen for that last cap is massive, if the entire transfer was as good as that, well it would be one hell of any upgrade. From the other caps, it aint.
I dont see them lines like them smaller images you posted, they are very fine on my screen, odd looking things. Your image comparison line thingie shows them a good thickness, even more distracing that if I saw them that big.
I think Broken Arrow is one of Woos best films still, I love the film. Sadly the best versions the opened up version at 1.85.1 which was on TV, hell I even liked the framing of the Fullscreen video more than the widescreen dvd version overcropped for me.
I dont see them lines like them smaller images you posted, they are very fine on my screen, odd looking things. Your image comparison line thingie shows them a good thickness, even more distracing that if I saw them that big.
I think Broken Arrow is one of Woos best films still, I love the film. Sadly the best versions the opened up version at 1.85.1 which was on TV, hell I even liked the framing of the Fullscreen video more than the widescreen dvd version overcropped for me.
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@Brad:
Seriously? You can't see the huge vertical banding in the first one? That's incredible.
You should be seeing about 20 vertical bands in those clouds. It should be grey-white-grey-white-grey...
If you can't, it means that your display is hiding those lines.
Try increasing the size of the first picture by 200%. It should become even more noticeable.
Here, I'll do it for you:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ANDING.jpg
On my display (and on Romero's), the difference is already huge at 100%.
Seriously? You can't see the huge vertical banding in the first one? That's incredible.
You should be seeing about 20 vertical bands in those clouds. It should be grey-white-grey-white-grey...
If you can't, it means that your display is hiding those lines.
Try increasing the size of the first picture by 200%. It should become even more noticeable.
Here, I'll do it for you:
https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... ANDING.jpg
On my display (and on Romero's), the difference is already huge at 100%.
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Oh, I thought you were talking about both of the last two pics I posted. That would've been weird.
The BD transfer has thin vertical lines everywhere. They're mostly visible in caps N°5 and 6.
Those lines can either become more visible or even disappear completely when you downscale the screencaps.
It's all about the resizing method.
The first cap I posted was downscaled to 1024x576 using a very simple algorithm ("Nearest neighbour", I think).
The second one was downscaled to 1024x576 using "bicubic".
Different resizing methods: different results.
My point is:
When you're watching the film on a 1280x or a 1024x display, you're at the mercy of your display's resizing method.
Maybe Broken Arrow will look like this on your TV:
Or maybe it'll look like this:
That explains why some people like this transfer while others can't stand it.
It's simple:Brad wrote:I am asking what are you illustrating?
The BD transfer has thin vertical lines everywhere. They're mostly visible in caps N°5 and 6.
Those lines can either become more visible or even disappear completely when you downscale the screencaps.
It's all about the resizing method.
The first cap I posted was downscaled to 1024x576 using a very simple algorithm ("Nearest neighbour", I think).
The second one was downscaled to 1024x576 using "bicubic".
Different resizing methods: different results.
My point is:
When you're watching the film on a 1280x or a 1024x display, you're at the mercy of your display's resizing method.
Maybe Broken Arrow will look like this on your TV:
Or maybe it'll look like this:
That explains why some people like this transfer while others can't stand it.
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