Ethical question

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 01 Mar 2006, 18:56

ok..so for the 2nd time in 4 months one of our cats got hit by a car and killed, and for the 2nd time they just left the cat in the road. and guess what, im really pissed off with the inconsiderate fucks who hit an animal then drive off...

so yeah i decided to see how other people feel about this, i guess if your an animal lover you will probably agree that its cruel, but anyway im just interested about this...since so far it seems people dont give a fuck otherwise they would have stopped!

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Mar 2006, 19:18

Yes I couldn't agree more.

The Highway Code says you must look in the rear view mirror before performing an emergency stop if you're about to hit a human, car etc . . . but an animal you must NOT look.

The idea being animals don't matter.

Well sod that if I was about to hit a cat or like I wouldn't look and would slam on the breaks. If someone hit me it would be their fault for driving to close. There's the 20 second rule for a reason.

I strongly believe animals have "as much" rights as humans on this planet.

Just because we're more intelligent and stronger that's no excuse. In fact being more intelligent should mean we care about animals more.

To answer your question yes I'd stop and see if the animal was still alive, if he/she wasn't then I'd see if there any houses around. If there wasn't I'd move the animal to the hedge. Not ideal I know.

I'd hope the animal would have some form of tag on it.

The bit that really annoys me is it's possible the animal isn't even dead but without knowing how do you know. If it was still alive and I didn't know who it belonged to I'd take it to a vet to (maybe) put down.

It's likely the animal would need to be put down. I'd hate to think I caused major suffering (as in a painful slow death) to any animal.

It's a sad fact most people don't give a fuck about animals at all.

Mordib · Post by **Mordib** » 01 Mar 2006, 19:49

as someone who has had a cat killed by a car and who has had to take half dead cats off the road after other people have run them over i would have to vote for it being fine for them driving on.

the reason being theres not really anything they can do, the average person isnt going to have the stomach to put a badly injured animal out of its misery, is not like you can call an ambulance or anything and most pets dont have phone numbers on their colors so theres no way you can find the owner.

just my 2 cents

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Mar 2006, 19:59

I see your point of view but if you don't stop and look for said number how are you going to know?

I imagine a fair few do have numbers.

the average person isnt going to have the stomach to put a badly injured animal out of its misery

No ones saying they should batter it to death but really people should have more respect for animals.

It really pisses me off when people ask to have the head cut off a fish in a restaurant. What the fuck do you think you're eating?

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 01 Mar 2006, 20:06

i agree brad, peopel are like "oh i love animals, i think they should be treated fairly" then go out to a supermarket and buy a dead chicken thats spent all of its short life in a cage with 500+ other chicks.

i dont eat meat for that reason,we treat them abbhorently, battery farming, and the like. animals were even here before us, we are one species out of millions and still think we have precedence to do as we please.

i mean ok, its gotta be pretty bad to realize you hit a and hurt an animal, but it doesnt take 10 minute to get out your car, look for the animal, see if it has a tag, if not and its still alive to put in your car and take it to the nearest vets...or if its dead and no-tag to gently move it to the side of the road so more cars dont hit it. or if it has a tag just to call the owners and tell them their cats hurt

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 01 Mar 2006, 20:42

I like cats more than people.

So, if anybody decides to vote "No", please give me your home address so I can run you over and leave you for dead.

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 01 Mar 2006, 20:45

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 01 Mar 2006, 20:48

Shen I'm sorry for your loss. That is sad news and I'm angry that this sort of behaviour is allowed to happen. I'm always careful when I'm driving but if an incident were to happen, I would of course take responsiblity and find the owner. Call the police in case I can't find anyone.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 01 Mar 2006, 20:48

bradavon wrote:I strongly believe animals have "as much" rights as humans on this planet.

Something we agree on.

I don't drive myself... but if I did I would break as hard for an animal as I would a human. If I hit a cat I would be inconsolable as I love animals and the guilt would be tremedous for me. Some lesser people don't give a shit. Cruel bastards. If the animal was still alive I'd take it to a vet. I would NOT leave the poor thing lying in the road... and anyone who does is a piece of shit who deserves to be run over by a truck.

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 01 Mar 2006, 20:52

the worst thing was that we rescued her from some bastards who were gonna drown her becuase she was pregnant, so we were like "like fuck you are" so we took her in and let her have the kittens, we have a her son with us now, and he's missing his mom like crazy. it just seems to suck that we gave her some chance of a life for her to be killed later on, although i guess atlaast she got to have a decent home for a time

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Mar 2006, 20:53

OMG that's so sad.

Shen wrote:the worst thing was that we rescued her from some bastards who were gonna drown her becuase she was pregnant

Did you call the cops? I would've for sure that's definitely illegal.

I doubt I'd make a big deal of it but I would at least let the police know.

Markgway wrote:Something we agree on.

It's a rarity

Shen wrote:or if it has a tag just to call the owners and tell them their cats hurt

Exactly at the very least that's nothing to ask. How hard is it really to stop and check?

You hit it so take responsibility for it.

Shen wrote:the worst thing was that we rescued her from some bastards who were gonna drown her becuase she was pregnant

:twisted:

This makes no sense to me. If you don't want the responsilibty drive a good distance from your house and let the cat go.

That's got to be better than killing her!

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 01 Mar 2006, 20:58

bradavon wrote: Did you call the cops? I would've for sure that's definitely illegal.

I doubt I'd make a big deal of it but I would at least let the police know.

we didnt call the cops because they are a nasty piece of work, or atleast the guy was, we didnt want trouble from them, he was the tpe to go smash your windows and make life hell if you crossed him. the cheeky bastards asked to have one of the kittens!! you can guess what we told them to do

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Mar 2006, 21:01

Fair enough I would think/do the same.

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 01 Mar 2006, 21:04

bradavon wrote: This makes no sense to me. If you don't want the responsilibty drive a good distance from your house and let the cat go.

That's got to be better than killing her!

or take her to the RSPCA or PDSA and give her to them, they'd take care of her, but they couldnt be bothered to do that :\

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Mar 2006, 21:19

True. I just meant as it's obvious they wanted rid quickly so that's a better alternative.

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 01 Mar 2006, 21:21

yeah true...im glad they didnt, we wouldnt have this little monster with us now...although hes wandering aroung the house crying for his mom, were spoiling him rotten

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 01 Mar 2006, 22:34

Sorry to hear about your loss, Shen.
I'm a cat owner myself. Love that lousy, lazy, annoying lil bastard to death.
I've had him for over 16 years now I reckon, and I'm sure I'd be in a lot of hurt if I'd lost him. Luckily, he doesnt stray away from the house too much, plus my constant throwing of pillows at him has made his reflexes sharp as a knife it seems.

When I was a young kid there was a lil kitty that occasionally came to our house and we gave it milk. Then one day when my father visited and we went for a walk. The cat walked along with us on the side of the road. It was a very quiet road and we were just walking calmly.
Then a car came by and for some reason the cat decided that would be a good time to cross the road (he should have listened to the chicken).
Anyway, the cat got hit in front of my eyes, and traumatised and bawling my eyes out, we returned home (last time my dad took me for a walk I guess...)

So when I got a cat myself, I was REALLY protective of it, always scared he wouldnt return or got lost or got killed or whatever. Luckily, he's always returned

But yeah, I've been walking around in the neighbourhood at 3 AM calling out my cat's name on quite a few occasions when he wasnt home yet.

If I'd hit a cat, I think I'd stop. Actually, I'm pretty sure I'd stop. I just love animals too much that I doubt I could drive on without knowing if there might have been something I could have done to save him or whatever.

Also, and I've said this before, I think I care more about animals then I do about people. Ofcourse, obviously, not the people very very close to me, but overall.

BTW, how did you know these people were gonna drown that cat? Did you walk in on them, or did they mention they were planning to do so?
Either way, I would have killed them. Or at least done some major damage.
What a complete assholes.
I cant imagine why ANYONE would want to hurt/kill an innocent animal.
Then again, I'm the kind of guy who throws spiders out of the window, instead of smashing them.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 01 Mar 2006, 22:36

I get too attached to animals that's why I don't have any pets.

It would be like losing a member of the family.

I'm not a violent person but I couldn't stand back and watch someone be cruel to an animal no matter how nasty they were.

I wish I had a gun..... :shock:

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 01 Mar 2006, 22:43

Yi-Long wrote: BTW, how did you know these people were gonna drown that cat? Did you walk in on them, or did they mention they were planning to do so?
Either way, I would have killed them. Or at least done some major damage.
What a complete assholes.
I cant imagine why ANYONE would want to hurt/kill an innocent animal.

my nephews played with their kids (lil bastards always throwing stones at the poor cat and throwing her in their pond) and they mentioned to my nephews about the cat, being brought up around animals they at once told my sister, who went round and asked them if it was true...it was....my sister couldnt take her in because she had 3 dogs and a cat and was pregnant herself. so we took her in, they didnt even name her! only called her "cat" so we named her chi, she was only 6 months old when she got pregnant, shouldnt really be going out much at that age! and that they didnt want the kittens stinking up the place and that they didnt want the cat anymore anyway so they might as well drown her....i went pretty mad at the woman, which is weird becuase im usually very quiet and reserved...since she brought the cat to my sisters and said "you have her" and left...

Then again, I'm the kind of guy who throws spiders out of the window, instead of smashing them

i put them out the window too, or just let them be, they dont do any harm hehe

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 01 Mar 2006, 22:53

Shen wrote:
Yi-Long wrote: BTW, how did you know these people were gonna drown that cat? Did you walk in on them, or did they mention they were planning to do so?
Either way, I would have killed them. Or at least done some major damage.
What a complete assholes.
I cant imagine why ANYONE would want to hurt/kill an innocent animal.
my nephews played with their kids (lil bastards always throwing stones at the poor cat and throwing her in their pond) and they mentioned to my nephews about the cat, being brought up around animals they at once told my sister, who went round and asked them if it was true...it was....my sister couldnt take her in because she had 3 dogs and a cat and was pregnant herself. so we took her in, they didnt even name her! only called her "cat" so we named her chi, she was only 6 months old when she got pregnant, shouldnt really be going out much at that age! and that they didnt want the kittens stinking up the place and that they didnt want the cat anymore anyway so they might as well drown her....i went pretty mad at the woman, which is weird becuase im usually very quiet and reserved...since she brought the cat to my sisters and said "you have her" and left...

Probably best you didnt witness/hear it first hand. But my god, how the hell can there be people raising their kids to be like that? If I'd EVER have a kid of my own who would abuse an animal, mannnnn... I dont know what I'd do yet, but you can bet the animal will be grinning his ass of when he'd see my kid after that.

Then again, I'm the kind of guy who throws spiders out of the window, instead of smashing them
i put them out the window too, or just let them be, they dont do any harm hehe

same here, unless it's a tarantula or whatever, they dont do any harm. My girl is very scared of them, and I'm certainly not fond of them either, but she would whack them, and I always save them. I just find it harsh to kill it just because it happens to be a spider.

Spider: "Hey there... Hi How are ya? Great! I just moved into this neighbourhood, your room actually, very nice, very lovely, love what you've done with the place... anyway... I decided to clean it up a bit for you and hang some webs arou..."
Girlfriend: "SMACK!!!!"

That's just too harsh man.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 01 Mar 2006, 22:53

I think if you know for definite you run over/injured a small animal by accident (if you did it on purpose that is truly sick, I'm not saying anyone here would) I think if you can, it should be taken to the RSPCA centre or whatever its' called if its still alive.

What types of road we talking about here? Quiet country road or busy motorway? I don't think our car has ever collided with an animal (I cant be sure though).

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 01 Mar 2006, 22:56

its a regular road (lol)...at the time of night it happened its pretty quiet a small broken stream of cars...its weird that she was run over in the same spot as our other cat, just on the opposite side of the road.

@Yi Long

same here with my nephews if i catch them being cruel to anything or anyone they get punished, but they are pretty good that way, enver would they hurt an animal...they'd know baout it if they did

oh and my sister has a tarantula , cute lil thing

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 01 Mar 2006, 22:59

I generally try to avoid animals by any means necessary.
Hell I even crashed my Ford Fiesta into a fence to avoid hitting a lizard.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 01 Mar 2006, 23:07

Its' wierd, you mentioned animal lovers Shen (sorry if this is OT)... I know perfectly well about the need for important medical research, paharmaceuticals (sp?) and the need for new medicine/cures but lab testing on animals like dogs and mice (to name 2) is disgusting IMO

I mean, the make up of a mouse isnt even close to a human so who's to say a human will react the same way to a product?

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 01 Mar 2006, 23:12

yup i agree grim!

i hate how they test on animals, they even test on endagered animals like chimps, although that is slowly stopping, but it agree it is disgusting

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