Bullets 'n' Babes

grim_tales wrote:Yeah but Hezbollah started the latest spat didnt they by firing rockets at Israelis?
Didnt mean to bring up Hezzbollah, sorry.

TBH, I'm not saying what they're doing is right, but Israelis have done a hell of a lot worse, if you look beyond the events of this past year.

Don't worry about brining up Hezbollah, meant that I could join into this discussion to.

Lets nuke Germany and all the scum that live there then, as they protected scumbag mass murders during the wars and everyone who is still there must be evil too They all deserve it now.

Modern Germans don't deserve such treatment for something that happened over 60 years ago, Romero.

Tom & Grim wrote:-One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
-Sometimes I think you just post this stuff to see what response you will get.

F* you.

You can disagree with my opinions, but don't imply that I'm not serious about them.

grim_tales wrote:Modern Germans don't deserve such treatment for something that happened over 60 years ago, Romero.

You dont say! learn to read posts man they have hidden messages.

tom2681 wrote:

Tom & Grim wrote:-One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
-Sometimes I think you just post this stuff to see what response you will get.

F* you.

You can disagree with my opinions, but don't imply that I'm not serious about them.

If I came across that way, I apologise Its' a fairly radical opinion, lets just say I don't agree.
Sorry Tom.

Thank you.

Good to see we're friends again

BTW... Israel saying they shot at the group of women because they were protecting militants... I mean... who tells me israel is telling the truth. Just look how many fucking times they've lied in the (recent) past...

And I dont care if they did or did not protect militants. I doubt these women were FORCED to protect them, but wanted to protect them. maybe they are their husbands, brothers, sons, etc etc...
So it's understandable that they want to protect them.

I really wish the west would stop defending israel's actions all the time, and just look at the situation objectively, and throw punishmenst adn sanctions on Israel. Israel is a terrorist nation. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yi-Long wrote:Israel is a terrorist nation. Nothing more, nothing less.

Amen!

I really wish the west would stop defending israel's actions all the time

Amen! Palestinians are not responsible for the Holocaust after all. Israel is an artificial structure in the Middle East. Since day 0 it was created after WW2, it has been in a state of war. This is no condition for a "peaceful" nation.

grim_tales wrote:The Israelis hardly said "Innocent women - attack!" did they?

Well, if they didn't, then I am wondering what has actually happened there. On all the images and footage I have seen so far, I have not seen a single woman with even a rock in her hand to throw. What's so unimaginable about the fact that the Israeli military would indeed say "Innocent women - attack!", especially when you look at their back record of children killed at high numbers.

How were the US protecting killers when 3000+ people died on 9/11?

They were at that very moment and are still now. Maybe not in the building itself, but they are protecting them around the world. Do you read any papers apart from The Sun? Maybe a subscription to Newsweek would help.

thelostdragon wrote:Suicidebombings haven't happened in Palestine in a very long time, Mark. You'll find it every now and then, but it is out of fashion really.

Out-of-fashion? What an odd, frivolous term to use about the taking of human life.

I'd interpret the attack to be an attack on America and not on the innocent people inside the building and in the area. Why? As they have no opportunity to work against and hit America in political ways.

Oh, I see, just because they can't blow up The Republican Party, it's therefore justified for them to slaughter 3,000 innocents in their place. Yes, I can see how that makes so much sense, now.

Looking at the picture here and on the images on TV, I can't see militants being killed. I only see women killed. Women, like my aunt and my cousins who live in the area. And for the fact that it could be them in that picture I am not willing to believe that they deserve death by a murderous attack by Israeli troops.

Well, just because you can't see them openly doesn't mean they weren't there? If there were no militants then the Israelis did a terrible thing and should be punished accordingly. As has been said before "killing women looks bad" so I can't imagine Israel would be stupid enough to do it on a whim knowing it would be seen on international television.

Yi-Long wrote:Israel is a terrorist nation. Nothing more, nothing less.

True, Israel was founded on terrorism... but that doesn't justify the killing of civilians does it? A bunch of people going to school or work shot or bombed to death to prove some political point? That's insane logic. Even if you can justify attacks on military personnel you can't justify same on innocents (and by that I mean those not involved in conflict).

thelostdragon wrote:

How were the US protecting killers when 3000+ people died on 9/11?

They were at that very moment and are still now. Maybe not in the building itself, but they are protecting them around the world.

Ah, OK. So let's say I'm Israeli. Let's say my parents were killed by Palestinians. I can't actually get to Palestine to take revenge so how about I just shoot the paki round the corner in the head. He's asian. It's all the same. Now that stupid hypotheses presents pretty much the same logic as your argument.

Do you read any papers apart from The Sun? Maybe a subscription to Newsweek would help.

What like The Guardian? Don't be so condescending toward Grim. You don't know what he reads and can't dismiss his opinions by implying he's stupid.

Markgway wrote:Ah, OK. So let's say I'm Israeli. Let's say my parents were killed by Palestinians. I can't actually get to Palestine to take revenge so how about I just shoot the paki round the corner in the head. He's asian. It's all the same.

That would be stupid of you to do, Mark, because the killing of the next door Pakistani wouldn't hurt the Palestinian government. 9/11 did hurt the US in a lot of ways (on first sight only that is, because in the end the US gained a lot from 9/11).

Do you read any papers apart from The Sun? Maybe a subscription to Newsweek would help.

What like The Guardian? Don't be so condescending toward Grim. You don't know what he reads and can't dismiss his opinions by implying he's stupid.

It was neither my intention to offend grim in a personal manner, nor was it to imply he was stupid. If he feels offended I'll apologise. I might got a bit personal after he implied that I didn't like America as if it was a fact you could look up in a dictionary.

To tell the truth I used to read The Guardian, I liked "The Guide" and "Screen Burn"
I don't even consider The Sun, Mail etc newspapers but I do admit I don't read them much though I do watch the TV news of course.

Its OK LD, no offence taken.
Its just when I saw the pictures of 9/11 and read the stories, I saw an unprovoked attack specifically on non military targets on innocents. Bush is an asshole sure, and the country is like the world's policeman (it is a great place to visit though ) but one hardly justifies the other, IMO.

Let me dip my toes into this water/thread

Markgway wrote: I can't actually get to Palestine to take revenge so how about I just shoot the paki round the corner in the head.

Come on Mark no need of that... sorry its just that I have grown up with that word being used by racist people (Tooting in the 80's was not a fun place to grow up, esp when people use to say p*ki-bashing), so whenever I read that it reminds me of a most horrible time...

Anyway let get back to this discussion...

but that doesn't justify the killing of civilians does it? A bunch of people going to school or work shot or bombed to death to prove some political point? That's insane logic.

Yup, but you got to see Israel are doing the same, case in hand:
Why did a sniper shoot a 12 year old girl, what the bloody hell was the logic behind this, I think you could prob tell an 12 year old girl..
Source: Yahoo News

How comes the US/UK don't condemn Israel for the following:

LONDON (AFP) - Scientists studying samples of soil thrown up by Israeli bombing in Lebanon have shown high radiation levels, suggesting uranium-based munitions were used, a British newspaper reports.

The samples were taken from two bomb craters in Khiam and At-Tiri and have been sent for further analysis to the Harwell laboratory in Oxfordshire, southern England, for mass spectrometry used by the Ministry of Defence, The Independent said.

The samples thrown up by Israeli heavy or guided bombs showed "elevated radiation signatures," Chris Busby, the British scientific secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, was quoted as saying.

Britain's Ministry of Defence has confirmed the concentration of uranium isotopes in the samples

So basically US are going after Iran because they don't want them to shoot nuclear weapons, but its okay for Israel to do that?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061028/wl ... 1028034116

Plus look what to James Miller he was waving a white flag, yet they still shot him

I saw that footage of James Miller on TV I think. It was a documentary about their documentary, so you saw them in the middle of the night, going outside, clearly stating they were journalists I believe, and they shot him.

Anyway, the USA are fucking hypocrites when it comes to Israel. Israel has nuclear powerplants, israel has commited warcrimes and has bombed UN buildings and people, and Israel used clusterbombs against people, instead of using it purely for it's intended purpose, against runways and mine-fields...
Innocent Lebonese people are still dying each and every day because of that unneccesary use of clusterbombs, yet no-one brings Israel to justice over it...

slasher13 wrote:Come on Mark no need of that... sorry its just that I have grown up with that word being used by racist people (Tooting in the 80's was not a fun place to grow up, esp when people use to say p*ki-bashing), so whenever I read that it reminds me of a most horrible time...

I'm sorry you suffered racism, I really am... but my use of the word was pointed and non-gratuitous.

Yup, but you got to see Israel are doing the same, case in hand:
Why did a sniper shoot a 12 year old girl, what the bloody hell was the logic behind this, I think you could prob tell an 12 year old girl..

If Israeli soldiers shot an unarmed young girl they should be brought to justice. That would be murder plain and simple. But this still doesn't justify militants killing indiscriminatly does it? That's what I'm saying. Not that the Israelis are perfect or "good guys".

How comes the US/UK don't condemn Israel for the following:

LONDON (AFP) - Scientists studying samples of soil thrown up by Israeli bombing in Lebanon have shown high radiation levels, suggesting uranium-based munitions were used, a British newspaper reports.

Because London is afraid to upset the Americans for whom Israeli is a pet.

So basically US are going after Iran because they don't want them to shoot nuclear weapons, but its okay for Israel to do that?

Hypocrisy.

Israel will always get away with everything, because all the powerful first-world Whitey nations suffer from guilt. They will always be hiding behind the WW2 atrocities, they will never let anyone forget it - unlike say the genocides commited by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia which hardly ever is talked about any more.

thelostdragon wrote:Looking at the picture here and on the images on TV, I can't see militants being killed. I only see women killed.

Media bias at play again. There's no such thing as an unbiased news outlet. Eg BBC News = heavy left-leaning, although they'll deny it. Fox News = heavy right-leaning, although they'll deny it.