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Posted: 05 Jan 2007, 19:10
by bradavon
You better hope Colin doesn't work for CD WOW you might find your account suddenly banned :D

p.s - Yeah good idea.

Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 09:46
by grim_tales
I got this email today:

Hi Simon



Thanks for your e-mail.



I asked my supervisor to look into why you did not receive a voucher and it appears that you applied through a forum group.



Please note in the Terms and Condition listed in the link you supplied it stated:



10. Applications made via any forum/newsgroup will be deemed invalid.



So for this reason a voucher will not be issued.



My apologies for any inconvenience caused.



Kind Regards





Michelle

www.cd-wow.com

www.wowwoman.com


WTF? :evil: I've always received vouchers from them before - we hardly "applied through a forum group" - all Brad did was post the link :?
Arses.

Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 14:24
by brooce-leroy
Does this mean they have been spying on us?

Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 14:44
by slasher13
brooce-leroy wrote:Does this mean they have been spying on us?
I think they have been for quite a while... mmm watch out for the :glasses4: :glasses5:

Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 15:06
by grim_tales
Dunno Bruce, they might have done :?
I don't know whether I should write back, none of us have done anything wrong AFAIK, if we follow it to the letter none of us should get any vouchers :roll:

Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 15:10
by Markgway
How can they know you belong to a forum that posted the voucher codes?

That's plain creepy.

Unless you used an affiliate link?

Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 15:24
by thelostdragon
Markgway wrote:How can they know you belong to a forum that posted the voucher codes?

That's plain creepy.
It has nothing to do with creepiness. Any owner of a website can check out how his users came to his website if he uses the right tools. So no matter if they clicked a link on Google, a forum, a links section of another website or even if they came through their favourites stored in their browsers, they can check it out.

Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 15:45
by Markgway
thelostdragon wrote:It has nothing to do with creepiness. Any owner of a website can check out how his users came to his website if he uses the right tools. So no matter if they clicked a link on Google, a forum, a links section of another website or even if they came through their favourites stored in their browsers, they can check it out.
...and you don't think that's creepy?? :D

Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 15:47
by grim_tales
I think thats creepy :D
To my knowledge its the first time they've done that, denying us vouchers when we post about them here :?

Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 15:53
by slasher13
thelostdragon wrote:
Markgway wrote:How can they know you belong to a forum that posted the voucher codes?

That's plain creepy.
It has nothing to do with creepiness. Any owner of a website can check out how his users came to his website if he uses the right tools. So no matter if they clicked a link on Google, a forum, a links section of another website or even if they came through their favourites stored in their browsers, they can check it out.
Check out the opensource awstat I've used that in the pass for checking perlscript calls, its very very good.
Most of the hosting company I see for Ecommence use this now

Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 16:28
by Markgway
slasher13 wrote:Check out the opensource awstat I've used that in the pass for checking perlscript calls, its very very good.
Most of the hosting company I see for Ecommence use this now
There's not a single part of your post I understand. :oops:

Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 17:56
by romerojpg
Or more likley someone grassed us up, its happened before in the past as some tossers hate seing people get anything, when they are applying for 300 of the vouchers :roll:

Posted: 10 Jan 2007, 01:31
by brooce-leroy
romerojpg wrote:get anything, when they are applying for 300 of the vouchers :roll:
There must be just a little of pot calling kettle blackisms in there, surely? ;) Not saying you are a grass like, before you go there, just the applying for vouchers part. :D

Oh, and I thought Slasher sounded like The Architect from Matrix with his technical post above. :lol:

Posted: 10 Jan 2007, 13:16
by Lourdes
All they do is log the referers, whenever you click a link the page you entered by is included in the HTTP headers. Some sites even use it as a method of security. It's easily blocked or faked.
In future copy/paste the url into a new window. OR we should make a policy of using a site that strips these headers.

Visit:
http://www.ericgiguere.com/tools/http-h ... iewer.html

Now add http://anonym.to/? -

http://anonym.to/?http://www.ericgiguer ... iewer.html

Same result if you copy/paste into the address bar or a new window.

So Brad or whoever should edit these posts adding anonym.to.

Posted: 10 Jan 2007, 16:27
by slasher13
Lourdes wrote:All they do is log the referers, whenever you click a link the page you entered by is included in the HTTP headers. Some sites even use it as a method of security. It's easily blocked or faked.
In future copy/paste the url into a new window. OR we should make a policy of using a site that strips these headers.

Visit:
http://www.ericgiguere.com/tools/http-h ... iewer.html

Now add http://anonym.to/:
http://anonym.to/?http://www.ericgiguer ... iewer.html

Same result if you copy/paste into the address bar or a new window.

So Brad or whoever should edit these posts adding anonym.to.
Nice one Lourdes, But there are some sites which blacklist anonymous server. BTW just been using a wicked program called Torpark, which is a 'onion skinned' anonymous server running a special build of Firefox 1.6. Only problem is that it crashes out my Zonealarm :(

Posted: 10 Jan 2007, 17:01
by Lourdes
Anonym.to isn't a proxy, it just removes the referrer from the HTTP request.

Posted: 10 Jan 2007, 17:46
by romerojpg
brooce-leroy wrote:
romerojpg wrote:get anything, when they are applying for 300 of the vouchers :roll:
There must be just a little of pot calling kettle blackisms in there, surely? ;) Not saying you are a grass like, before you go there, just the applying for vouchers part. :D
Ohh I get a few, but some people get hundeds if not thousands with certain programmes which do it for them, basically when they get into it they close down the vouchers very quickly for others.

Posted: 10 Jan 2007, 18:31
by bradavon
grim_tales wrote:I don't know whether I should write back, none of us have done anything wrong AFAIK, if we follow it to the letter none of us should get any vouchers :roll:
I wouldn't. You'd only open a can of worms and yes I guess we did (break the T&Cs, we all clicked through a Forum). I didn't notice that new one in the T&Cs.
Markgway wrote:Unless you used an affiliate link?
The link is affiliated to someone (no idea who) as that's how it works but it's not the Bullets affiliate code (which is 13858).
Lourdes wrote:So Brad or whoever should edit these posts adding anonym.to.
It sounds like you're spot on Lourdes.

The simple rule seems to be special voucher codes you copy/paste the link into a new window. I suggest we add a space into such links in future when posting them forcing people to remember to copy/paste and remove the space (or underscore). It's easier than having to remember to put that link at the start.

I guess they're semi-cracking down (it would've been nice to let us know). Hey-ho moving on, it's only a voucher and it's not like we can't get others.

p.s - Thank Salty not me. I guess he found it on a forum too.

Posted: 11 Jan 2007, 00:29
by Markgway
Why would CD-Wow crackdown on something that is obviously garnering them more custom than ever before? If I thought giving £2 off a product would net me extra sales that would seem the sensible thing to do wouldn't it?

Posted: 11 Jan 2007, 01:32
by Lourdes
Markgway wrote:Why would CD-Wow crackdown on something that is obviously garnering them more custom than ever before? If I thought giving £2 off a product would net me extra sales that would seem the sensible thing to do wouldn't it?
It can be seen another way but that's true for me.

Posted: 11 Jan 2007, 03:08
by Markgway
And for me. I'm always more inclined to buy with an extra insentive. Virtually accusing people of being dodgy for using forum-posted vouchers does not good customer relations make.

Posted: 11 Jan 2007, 09:34
by slasher13
Lourdes wrote:Anonym.to isn't a proxy, it just removes the referrer from the HTTP request.
Sorry :D, Didn't really click on the link, just assumed. Very cool link, bookmarked it now :D.

Posted: 11 Jan 2007, 20:13
by bradavon
Markgway wrote:Why would CD-Wow crackdown on something that is obviously garnering them more custom than ever before? If I thought giving £2 off a product would net me extra sales that would seem the sensible thing to do wouldn't it?
It's up to £7.99 not £2.

Well they obviously generally do by letting all the millions of combo voucher orders go through.

I suspect when they get an influx of millions of people trying to get a voucher or more than one designed for a few people who're meant to get it they've decided to stop it.

They have had serious problems with vouchers being posted on forums. Remember these vouchers are meant for people who the deal is attached to, such as Sony where a certain amount Sony agreed to.

Technically NOT all of sundry.
Markgway wrote:I'm always more inclined to buy with an extra insentive.
Well like I said they already do.
Markgway wrote:Virtually accusing people of being dodgy for using forum-posted vouchers does not good customer relations make.
Also like I said the sheer point they're on a non-related forum means technically we are being dodgy. They're not meant for us.

I don't really see the big deal. We all get £2 off ALL DVDs + £1.75 of ALL CDs + all the stacks of big vouchers in the past anyway. Losing out on 1 voucher isn't going to make me lose any sleep.