Damn you internet, you have scarred me for life

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 16 Dec 2008, 23:20

grim_tales wrote:Handsome/attractive mean the same thing, no?

Unless your name is Mark, yes.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 16 Dec 2008, 23:37

I wanna have a cup of coffee with Joe Odagiri cause he's so handsome. But I don't want to touch him... except maybe his hair.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 17 Dec 2008, 00:06

grim_tales wrote:Handsome/attractive mean the same thing, no?

Aye of course it does, any 5yr old (or normal BnB forum member for that matter) knows that. Unfortunately raging homophobes will always struggle to use the word attractive to describe a member of the same sex.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 17 Dec 2008, 00:35

Just for Mark:

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 17 Dec 2008, 03:07

Yi-Long wrote:Altering a quote to make it say something different, usually portrays the opinion of the person that changed it, Mark.

That's NOT a rule. Re-check the post. 8)

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 17 Dec 2008, 03:25

You can throw the dictionary at me but I still maintain I would never in conversation refer to any man as being attractive. I've heard straight men refer to other men as handsome (good facial features, etc) but never attractive. Do women find men attractive? Yes, of course. But I don't. I recognise that other people would, however. If someone asks me: "Is George Clooney attractive?" I would say "To some". If I say he's attractive then the implication is that I'm attracted to him. Same as if I said "Kelly Brook is attractive" You would therefore assume I was attracted to Kelly Brook. And you'd be right. The words may well be connected in dictionary terms but they don't fully convey the useage I'm talking about. Handsome is non-sexual in contest. But attractive is used primarily as a (mild) sexual adjective. Semantics? Perhaps. Nothing to do with homophobia as I neither hate homosexuals nor am I afraid of them. But if you still think I'm wrong go up to one of your straight male friends and say "Brad Pitt is attractive" and see what they say? I doubt they'll all shout "hear hear!" and "doesn't Jude Law have a nicely waxed chest?"

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 17 Dec 2008, 09:52

Handsome is always used to describe men, and while the two words handsome and attractive are practically synonyms, you don't hear people talking about "handsome" women, only attractive or beautiful women.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 17 Dec 2008, 13:12

If I say he's attractive then the implication is that I'm attracted to him.

You what? There's no implication in the slightest.

But attractive is used primarily as a (mild) sexual adjective.

You're the first person I've ever known to add a sexual connotation to the word. It must be a Scottish thing

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But if you still think I'm wrong go up to one of your straight male friends and say "Brad Pitt is attractive" and see what they say?

They'd react exactly the same way if I said Brad Pitt was handsome. That's their problem not mine. I wouldn't be adding any sexual reference to it, they may do but again that's their problem.

Like I said, saying "I'm attracted to Brad Pitt" is quite different.

It's all about the words used, granted some ignorant people who don't properly understand the language may read different things into it but I'm not going to alter my language for people who cannot understand these things. I'm not saying this is you Mark.

Example: When people say "like" not meaning like at all. "It's like so cool" doesn't mean "it's so cool" but something similar/like it.

Shingster wrote:Aye of course it does, any 5yr old (or normal BnB forum member for that matter) knows that. Unfortunately raging homophobes will always struggle to use the word attractive to describe a member of the same sex.

Exactly, well said.

Shingster wrote:Just for Mark:

LOL that's amazing

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Any Hi-Res links?

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 17 Dec 2008, 17:16

bradavon wrote:You're the first person I've ever known to add a sexual connotation to the word. It must be a Scottish thing .

People are generally 'attracted' to other people because they want a piece of them.

luckystars · Post by **luckystars** » 17 Dec 2008, 18:03

C'mon guys the quote wars thing is Gayer than Mark

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 17 Dec 2008, 18:28

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luckystars · Post by **luckystars** » 17 Dec 2008, 19:14

Yi-Long wrote:What are you trying to say Luckystars?

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Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 17 Dec 2008, 19:27

bradavon wrote:You're the first person I've ever known to add a sexual connotation to the word. It must be a Scottish thing .

Lol... maybe it is? Because I swear I've NEVER in my life heard a straight male refer to another man as attractive. That's why I laughed when you did it. Maybe this is the norm in England. If so... consider me learned.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 17 Dec 2008, 19:34

gasteropod wrote:People are generally 'attracted' to other people because they want a piece of them.

Of course.

But then we're talking about finding someone attractive not being attracted to them

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gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 17 Dec 2008, 22:00

bradavon wrote:But then we're talking about finding someone attractive not being attracted to them .

Yeah, but you said that you've never seen 'attractive' as having sexual connotations before, which doesn't make sense. Attractive = attracting people who want to do you.

luckystars · Post by **luckystars** » 17 Dec 2008, 22:20

Attractive as in you've got a nice looking pussy Mark?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 18 Dec 2008, 00:54

bradavon wrote:But then we're talking about finding someone attractive not being attracted to them .

In Scotland that's the same thing.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 18 Dec 2008, 00:55

luckystars wrote:Attractive as in you've got a nice looking pussy Mark?

Why thank you. I've been told many times I have a cute pussy. Never get tired of hearing it. 8)

luckystars · Post by **luckystars** » 18 Dec 2008, 17:05

Markgway wrote:In Scotland that's the same thing.

To be fair, that's a poor excuse for anything.

I don't speak for the whole of England, why that would be racist.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 18 Dec 2008, 17:27

Markgway wrote:
bradavon wrote:But then we're talking about finding someone attractive not being attracted to them .
In Scotland that's the same thing.

In Scotland, sheepfucking and hitting your own kids over the head with a big boot are considered 'tradition'. Doesnt mean it's the same everywhere else, Mark.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 18 Dec 2008, 19:33

luckystars wrote:To be fair, that's a poor excuse for anything. I don't speak for the whole of England, why that would be racist.

Brad suggested it.

I can only take you guys at your word when you say in England it's OK to say a man is attractive and it doesn't mean you fancy him. All I'm saying is that up here that's not the done thing. If you doubt me ask Tigercage or any of the other Jocks. You limeys sort yourselves out.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 18 Dec 2008, 20:04

Frankly I wouldn't give a fuck if the part of England I lived in it meant you fancy someone. It wouldn't stop me saying it.

If someone wants to think I'm gay that's their problem. I know what my sexuality is and that's really all that matters. If people are going to read way too much into things it's pretty sad really.

Guys I work with had a dig at me for liking Moulin Rouge and seeing the recent Dutchess movie (both excellent). Apparently it's not macho to like such films, bollocks comes to mind.

I wasn't in the slightest bit offended or felt uncomfortable some gay guy touching my chest in that gay bar I mentioned previously. He must've liked me even a little to do it in the first place

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It's like when someone says "I don't mind homosexuals as long as they don't hit on me", as if all gay men fancy every man they ever meet. The whole concept is completely illogical. Do straight men fancy every women they meet? So why would gay men?

luckystars · Post by **luckystars** » 18 Dec 2008, 20:11

Do straight men fancy every women they meat?

lol Freudian slip proves Brads no noofter

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 18 Dec 2008, 20:14

Oops I even spelt it correctly previously.

Godzooki · Post by **Godzooki** » 18 Dec 2008, 22:08

bradavon wrote: I wasn't in the slightest bit offended or felt uncomfortable some gay guy touching my chest in that gay bar I mentioned previously. He must've liked me even a little to do it in the first place .

Why would you be offended, you were in a gay club and to be fair, the guy probably only wanted to get past you. Additionally even if some guy touched your chest provocatively, the chances are it was only playful flirting at most.

bradavon wrote: It's like when someone says "I don't mind homosexuals as long as they don't hit on me", as if all gay men fancy every man they ever meet. The whole concept is completely illogical. Do straight men fancy every women they meet? So why would gay men?

Agreed, completely illogical however no more illogical than you're assumption that the guy must have liked you 'even a little bit' cos he touched your chest.

Nice to see you out and about though Bradley, i had you pinned for a proper social recluse.

Markgway wrote:
I can only take you guys at your word when you say in England it's OK to say a man is attractive and it doesn't mean you fancy him. All I'm saying is that up here that's not the done thing. If you doubt me ask Tigercage or any of the other Jocks. You limeys sort yourselves out.

I can appreciate a handsome looking man but I agree 'attractive' is not a word that I would normally use to describe such person. That being said I tend not to analyze any of the stuff I post or say too much!