Your Top 10 Favorite Flicks?

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 22 Feb 2007, 21:49

1) Ed Wood
2) Beauty And The Beast (1991)
3. Fist Of Fury
4. Night Of The Living Dead (1968)
5. King Kong (1933)
6. Ghostbusters
7. Jaws
8. Metropolis (1927)
9. The Transformers
10. Batman (1989)

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 22 Feb 2007, 21:59

1. Raiders of the Lost Ark
2. Taifu Club
3. Pulp Fiction
4. The Killer (taiwanese cut)
5. Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter... and Spring
6. Hana-Bi
7. April Story
8. The Thin Red Line
9. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
10. Kill Bill

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 22 Feb 2007, 22:22

I would've expected to see a lot more JPN flicks on your list HF.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 22 Feb 2007, 23:21

Hung that's really 11 films, sneaking in an 11 in there I see

. Well it's 11 IMO.

Bisc: Why Mortal Kombat? Is it really that good in your opinion?

My big problem with the films are that they don't take themselves seriously at all and the rules of the film change from one moment to the next. The first Spider-Man film I consider on the level of Batman & Robin. It's atrocious. The second one is mildly better, but still has the same meandering problems as the first. There's no underlying subtext to the films that give them any weight. They're light, campy, and lifeless.

What rules do they change? Except for the big about Batman and Robin which is way worse I couldn't agree more. Finally someone else who dislikes Spider-man

, okay I don't dislike it but it's very average. The comics/cartoons were way better.

Yi-Long wrote:I've never seen the american version of DM2 (Legend of the DM) and certainly dont intend to either.

Dubbing aside and I know you'll disagree but IMO it's the better cut. All that is cut is the awful gag about people with down syndrome. That's not funny and I'm glad it was cut.

degeneration wrote:I personally think people have been getting carried away with CR. It was very good, no questions there, but it wasn't THAT good. It was THAT good compared to what a lot of people thought it was going to be like because of the outcry at Daniel Craig being cast as Bond.

I thought it was that good and for once not in the slightest overhyped but no I'd put it no where near a top 10.

I wouldn't put any Bond in a top 10. People do have the habit of putting films they've recently seen in a top 10 when to me it should be "of all time".

Barbarian King wrote:Bourne stole from the best Bond films - namely the early Connery's and OHMSS. But more exclusively, it's inspired by the writings of Fleming more than any film. Bond was going back to his roots, not ripping on some half-baked franchise that'll be forgotten several years from now.

EXACTLY.

I wish people would stop saying Bond ripped from Bourne when Bond was saving the world before Bond was even in nappies.

It's clear to me Bourne ripped heavily from Bond, plus other spy thrillers. There is nothing wrong with that it's just not true that Bourne is so revolutionary.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 23 Feb 2007, 00:15

Barbarian King wrote:
My big problem with the films are that they don't take themselves seriously at all and the rules of the film change from one moment to the next. The first Spider-Man film I consider on the level of Batman & Robin. It's atrocious. The second one is mildly better, but still has the same meandering problems as the first. There's no underlying subtext to the films that give them any weight. They're light, campy, and lifeless.

I agree the Spidey movies are 'light', but I dont agree they're 'campy'. For me,'campy' is taking it way over the top, and making a mockery of it all. I felt the movies were very much in tune with the tone of the comics: light, fun, and with emphasis on Peter's personal life.
The only problem I have is that I've seen, or in my case READ, it all before.

I'm a big fan of John Byrne's Superman, but I dont really like the movies.
That would explain why, since writers have been trying to do away with the shit that Byrne inflicted on Superman for two decades. In 2005, they finally did it with Birthright, which is now considered proper canon in the comics, thereby erasing the horrid shit that Byrne forced upon readers in the late 80's. The only good to come of his run was that he changed Lex into a billionaire. But even that's still just a superficial change. He's still a mad scientist though, so the change is hardly worth noting.

The film Superman is based closer on the silver age Superman at the height of his powers. The films directed by Donner and Singer have weight, emotionality, and intelligence to back it up. Something that the Spider-Man films are sorely lacking.

Are you kidding me? Before Byrne, Superman was a crappy comicbook series with lots of over the top enemies, and Superman being way too powerfull and goody...
Byrne made him more human, more vulnerable, and the stories were mature and realistic. Man of Steel was a brilliant new beginning to the character, and Byrne produced a great series of brilliantly written stories.

I havent read Birthright or the new Superman, but from Wikipedia I learned it has gone back to Superman being too powerfull again, dealing with lots of space aliens etc. Not really my thing.

Havent seen The Hulk yet. My sis-in-law has it... so I might borrow it one of these days.
It's truly excellent. The drama works...for me...and the action is simply incredible. Well worth your time.

I'll definately borrow it, and I'll let you know how I liked it. The Hulk has never been a favourite of mine, but hopefully this movies shows an interesting side to an otherwise pretty bland character

(I did enjoy 'grey' Hulk fighting Spiderman, many many years ago

)

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 23 Feb 2007, 00:20

Barbarian King wrote:
grim_tales wrote:Fair enough. Good reasoning, I still enjoyed them and thought they were good.
Mary-Jane seems younger in the movie (Dunst was only 19/20 or something like that in the first movie) than the cartoon (90's toon) for some reason.
I just wish they had kept with Gwen Stacey, then had her killed at the end of the first one because Peter wasn't fast enough to save both the other people and Gwen and Mary Jane comes in at the last scene like in the comic. And in the second film we see their relationship blossoming, while Peter still can't quite let go of Gwen. By the end of the second film, Mary Jane is a near copycat situation that Gwen was in...only this time...he's not going to let it happen again...and saves Mary Jane from Doc Ock.

See...now that's drama. That's good stuff.

I totally agree with you, that they should have kept the Gwen Stacey story in it. Dunst would have made a good Gwen Stacy btw (blonde, a bit rich and spoiled, cheerleader type). It would have been better if they had stayed closer to the original story that way.

Ow, someone asked em who I would have cast in the role of MJ.
I'm not sure, cause it's been quite a while ago since the first movie was made, but it would have been an actress who was a bit more voloptious and 'sexy' then Dunst. MJ is a real stunner in the comic books, not too thin, sexy green eyes, good figure, etc. A bit Tomboyish as well, as in not being a total girly, but being very relaxed and always smiling (which is just an 'act', as we all know)
I think Scarlett Johansen would have made a very good MJ. Great figure, good face. She has that mix of tomboyish sexyness, and bombshell.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 23 Feb 2007, 00:24

In no particular order

1) Enter The Dragon
2) Fist Of Fury
3) Dawn Of The Dead (1978)
4) Assault On Precinct 13 (1976)
5) Alien
6) Terminator
7) Die Hard
8) Dirty Harry
9) Fist Of Legend
10) Mad Max 2: Road Warrior

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 23 Feb 2007, 00:26

bradavon wrote:
Yi-Long wrote:I've never seen the american version of DM2 (Legend of the DM) and certainly dont intend to either.
Dubbing aside and I know you'll disagree but IMO it's the better cut. All that is cut is the awful gag about people with down syndrome. That's not funny and I'm glad it was cut.

I DISAGREE!!!

From what I heard, they not only cut that final scene, but they also changed the sounds of the fighting scenes, which takes the whole rythm out of the fights so now the fights dont seem so good. I think they did the same with Fist of Legend btw.
I'm not sure if they also changed the soundtrack (music).

About that last scene: I didnt know it was meant to make fun of down-syndrome. I thought Jackie had just gone CRAZY from the alcohol (or bad ginseng; cant remember)
If it was meant to be Jackie portraying a 'mongoloid', then he's a very bad actor, cause that looked nothing like a person with down-syndrome.

Are you sure that it was the intention of the movie to portray Jackie as someone who has suddenly gotten a case of down-syndrome?

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 23 Feb 2007, 01:42

TBH I don't know why Brad made those comments about Down Syndrome, he must be getting DM2 mixed up with another film. Disney did indeed change the score and the foley effects during the action scenes for both Fist of Legend and DM2.

Barbarian King · Post by **Barbarian King** » 23 Feb 2007, 02:19

Yi-Long wrote:
Barbarian King wrote:
My big problem with the films are that they don't take themselves seriously at all and the rules of the film change from one moment to the next. The first Spider-Man film I consider on the level of Batman & Robin. It's atrocious. The second one is mildly better, but still has the same meandering problems as the first. There's no underlying subtext to the films that give them any weight. They're light, campy, and lifeless.
I agree the Spidey movies are 'light', but I dont agree they're 'campy'. For me,'campy' is taking it way over the top, and making a mockery of it all. I felt the movies were very much in tune with the tone of the comics: light, fun, and with emphasis on Peter's personal life.
The only problem I have is that I've seen, or in my case READ, it all before.

Yes, they're completely campy. Let me remind you of these classics:

"We'll meet again...SPIDER-MAN!!!"

"Punch me, I bleed."

The whole "Raindrops" sequence.

Raimi punishing Peter for an hour-and-a-half for cheap laughs and an even cheaper attempt at empathy.

"Back to formula!"

"You've spun your last web, Spider-Man."

And just about every line in the first film written by David Koepp.

My problem isn't really the focus of the films...well...I mean it is in a way...it's just that they don't do it good...at all. It's camp masquerading as drama, which is the worst kind of camp imaginable. At least B&R, for all it's many faults, knows that it's camp and embraces it as such.

Superman: The Movie, Superman II, and Superman Returns are "light", yet they have a sense of scale and dramatic weight that doesn't undermine that sense of fun. They're good movies, period.

Are you kidding me? Before Byrne, Superman was a crappy comicbook series with lots of over the top enemies, and Superman being way too powerfull and goody...
Byrne made him more human, more vulnerable, and the stories were mature and realistic. Man of Steel was a brilliant new beginning to the character, and Byrne produced a great series of brilliantly written stories.

I havent read Birthright or the new Superman, but from Wikipedia I learned it has gone back to Superman being too powerfull again, dealing with lots of space aliens etc. Not really my thing.

Yeah, that's why Superman was around for nearly 50 years before Byrne ever came on board for a couple of years. God knows he wasn't popular at all.

Superman is supposed to be big, powerful, and epic. The stories are supposed to be larger than life, with often cosmic circumstances. The character is supposed to be big and colorful and fun. Not the revisitionist bullshit that Byrne tried to pull off. Ask most fans of the Superman comic and they'll tell you that the Byrne days were not good. Sure, they sold well, but in retrospect they betrayed what made Superman so special. Which is why those fans, who are now the writers, are going back to the Silver Age days when Superman was truly SUPER!

The whole Byrne Superman can be summed up in a simple quote from the travesty known as Lois & Clark; "Clark Kent is who I am. Superman is what I can do." That's the whole concept behind Byrne's nonsense and it completely betrays the heart and core of the character of Superman, because it just makes Superman a costume and not a real person.

But regarding the films, you can't fault them for not being like the Byrne series (thank god) because the Byrne series was still a decade away from being published. Lois & Clark is pretty close to the spirit of the Byrne writings...which says a lot about Byrne's writing. His art is quite great, but a writer and storyteller, he ain't.

I'll definately borrow it, and I'll let you know how I liked it. The Hulk has never been a favourite of mine, but hopefully this movies shows an interesting side to an otherwise pretty bland character
(I did enjoy 'grey' Hulk fighting Spiderman, many many years ago )

Good stuff!

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 23 Feb 2007, 02:35

Shingster wrote:TBH I don't know why Brad made those comments about Down Syndrome

Yeah, me neither. Jackie's character drank industrial alcohol, and that end scene was a comedic look at the effects it had on him. What the hell's wrong with that? It has nothing to do with Down's Syndrome!

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 23 Feb 2007, 02:41

Being John Malkovich
The Science of Sleep
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Human Nature
Adaptation.
Blue Velvet
Lost Highway
Mulholland Drive
The 'burbs
Amelie
Batman Begins
Memento
Magnolia
Indiana Jones
Save the Green Planet!
Fight Club

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 23 Feb 2007, 03:06

gasteropod wrote:What the hell's wrong with that? It has nothing to do with Down's Syndrome!

Not to say that Down's Syndrome would be "wrong".

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 23 Feb 2007, 03:49

OK, in no particular order:

Fight Club
Commando
The Godfather
Hard-Boiled
Dogma
The Matrix Reloaded
RoboCop
Armour Of God
Aliens
Leon

What a futile exercise. I'm only going to to change my mind in the next few minutes. I already want Heat, The Thing, Die Hard With A Vengeance, Sonatine, The Sting, The Big Lebowski, South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut, Seven Samurai, Scarface on the list. Hard-Boiled is the only film that would be on any list; the rest of a list would depend on when you ask me.

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 23 Feb 2007, 05:51

Yeah these lists are so annoying, because I've missed out stuff like Batman Begins, Fight Club, and all the Asian films I love. 10 films... pffft.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 23 Feb 2007, 06:00

...Carlito's Way, Army Of Darkness, Big Trouble In Little China, Project A, Street Fighter II - The Animated Movie, Ali, Dog Day Afternoon, Ghostbusters, Mad Mission II...

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » 23 Feb 2007, 06:26

So difficult - had to choose two sets...

Western:
1. Way Out West
2. Groundhog Day
3. Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
4. Buffalo '66
5. The Wizard Of Oz
6. The Jerk
7. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
8. Trading Places
9. Batman
10. Living In Obvlivion

Asian:
1. Kuch Kuch Hota Hai
2. Police Story
3. Dil Chahta Hai
4. Lagaan
5. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
6. The Road Home
7. Laputa: Castle In The Sky
8. Swades
9. Miracles
10. Hey Ram

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 23 Feb 2007, 09:37

bradavon wrote:Hung that's really 11 films, sneaking in an 11 in there I see . Well it's 11 IMO.

Not really. Kill Bill has been released as one movie.

Barbarian King · Post by **Barbarian King** » 23 Feb 2007, 10:50

HungFist wrote:
bradavon wrote:Hung that's really 11 films, sneaking in an 11 in there I see . Well it's 11 IMO.
Not really. Kill Bill has been released as one movie.

Now, if we could just get them to release it on DVD that way!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 23 Feb 2007, 11:17

gasteropod wrote:
Shingster wrote:TBH I don't know why Brad made those comments about Down Syndrome
Yeah, me neither. Jackie's character drank industrial alcohol, and that end scene was a comedic look at the effects it had on him. What the hell's wrong with that? It has nothing to do with Down's Syndrome!

I didn't see anything wrong with that scene either - it was supposed to be comedic showing the effects that drinking that much alcohol (the industrial alcohol was actually real) can have on one's brain as well as fighting skills, thats why he's stumbling around like a loon being silly. I just saw a very drunk person.

@ Brad:

"Bond was saving the world before Bond was in nappies"

You mean before Bourne

I have to agree!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 23 Feb 2007, 11:19

HungFist wrote:
bradavon wrote:Hung that's really 11 films, sneaking in an 11 in there I see . Well it's 11 IMO.
Not really. Kill Bill has been released as one movie.

Has it?

Do you mean KB as in both V1 and 2?

I'll have a search around, I'm sure my Top 10 is in a thread started by Tom "Your Top 10 films of all time"

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 23 Feb 2007, 11:20

grim_tales wrote:
HungFist wrote:
bradavon wrote:Hung that's really 11 films, sneaking in an 11 in there I see . Well it's 11 IMO.
Not really. Kill Bill has been released as one movie.
Has it?
Do you mean KB as in both V1 and 2?

Yes. Cannes

Barbarian King · Post by **Barbarian King** » 23 Feb 2007, 11:24

Yeah, Tarantino screen "The Whole Bloody Affair" version of Kill Bill at Cannes...I can't remember when, perhaps a couple of years ago? He said he was planning a DVD of it, but no such luck with seeing that since. I remember him saying it was probably going to be the first Weinstein DVD released.

*Sigh*

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 23 Feb 2007, 11:31

I didn't know that

I'm afraid I can't find the thread - everytime I go into "Find all posts" and go beyond page 1, it says "No topics or posts match your search criteria"

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 23 Feb 2007, 11:57

why don't you just post what you feel is your top 10 at the moment?

Hell since last night i've removed the Killer and replaced it with Dirty Harry 8)