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Markgway wrote:Yojimbo, Fistful of Dollars, and Last Man Standing all rip off Dashiell Hammett's Red Harvest (which I've not read) so I'm not too worried about the similarities. Originality is overrated. :D

I haven't seen any other Kurosawa films, but there's a season on TV, so that might change soon.
No it does not. That is a canard. I have read Red Harvest. It possible takes a few pieces from the book. Here is parts of a conversation I wrote on the topic (I eventually need to edit it and make an essay of it so excuse some of the messiness of it):

I have read it stated that this film was a remake or at least an adaptation of Hammett's Red Harvest and I've occasionally mentioned this as well. This seems to have caused a dichotomy amongst certain critics where some mentioned in this source:
For decades, American film critics such as Manny Farber and Andrew Sarris have assumed that Yojimbo was, in fact, an uncredited version of Red Harvest--"a bowdlerized version," wrote Farber in an oft-quoted 1966 essay, "The Decline of the Actor." In The Samurai Films of Akira Kurosawa, David Desser states categorically that Yojimbo "is an adaptation of Dashiell Hammett's Red Harvest" and that "the basic situation that motivates the plot in Yojimbo is adapted from Hammett's Red Harvest."
and others like Donald Richie does not even mention it in The Films of Akira Kurosawa (3rd Edition) and Alain Silver's THE SAMURAI FILM (EXPANDED AND REVISED EDITION) refutes it and is mentioned here:
Even the footnotes can be fascinating. On page 314 Silver offers up a mini essay that disputes the notion that YOJIMBO is unofficially based on Hammett's RED HARVEST. Noting that there are narrative similarities, Silver traces the critical history of the belief and asserts that the connection is bogus.
When I receive that book I will quote that passage here. I had always wondered why Richie never mentions the relationship between Red Harvest and Yojimbo. I have even had conversations from people who state that the similarities of this film to the book were as similar as A Fistful of Dollars to this film.

My feelings is that one should never assume (assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups) anything. There is so much felonious information out there (this reminds me of when people state that Reservoir Dogs is a complete rip-off of City on Fire where really only the last part of City on Fire is used in that film). I think here is another one. After reading Red Harvest I can easily state that Yojimbo is nowhere near a remake of the book and I seriously doubt it is an adaptation as well. Is there influence? Quite possible, but to state that this movie is anywhere near Red Harvest as A Fistful of Dollars is to Yojimbo is just plain wrong.

There are definitely similarities to the book but even those are not that exact. We have a no-named stranger come into town (hired in the book; random choice in the movie) and is caught in-between different sides and tries to play them against each other. The book actually has more than two main sides (it gets more and more complicated toward the end) while Yojimbo focused on a split in town. Other than that the protagonist drinks in both films and there is a sheriff type figure in both films there isn't that much more similar.

Some other thoughts:
Sanjuro in the movie is much more stronger than the Continental Op character.
There is no female fatale in the film like Dinah Brand in the book.
The film feels like a western translated into a chambara movie while the book feels completely like a hard-boiled detective story.
I really do not recognize any of the situations that take place in the book in the film.
The same goes for the characters.
The Continental Op detective has help from associates and fears his boss. He is also much more talkative than Sanjuro.
The amount of betrayals and different sides in the book is almost overdone.
There is no serious injury or serious workover to the Continental Op character like what happens to Sanjuro.
There is no showdown(s) in the book like what happens in the movie (of course this gives the movie a western feeling while the book is very much ambush oriented in dealing with the opposite sides).

Now I am not knocking the book. It is a fun read that is easily worthwhile for any fans of pulp fiction. The dialog is awesome and will easily remind you of the film adaptations of other Hammett's novels like The Maltese Falcon and The Thin Man. It does overdo the "aha" situation where almost all murders are performed by people you do not expect and he even has false suspects several times throughout the book.

Here is an interesting link discussing both The Glass Key and Red Harvest in relation to Yojimbo: Yojimbo: All Things Dashiell Hammett Make sure you read the comments which has more info dealing with Red Harvest. One scene in Yojimbo that is similar to Red Harvest I forgot that is mentioned in the comments is mentioned here (the first one the last comment mentions I feel is not really similar enough; this scene is almost mentioned by another commentator in that thread as well):
The other is when Reno cuts down the four remaining men of Pete the Finn’s gang, including Pete, after implicitly promising them safe passage in return for coming out of the building where they’re holed up. (Chapter XXV, Whiskeytown.) (See NoelCT's earlier post for a quote.) This is reminiscent of the scene near the end of the movie when Seibei, Orin, and their son surrender only to be cut down by Ushitora’s gang.
Though I have to mention that being familiar with a book and having your film being a remake or adaptation is two completely different things (this is response to one of the posters in that thread). This movie, to me, is clearly not an adaptation of the book, but as I said before it could have some inspiration from the book. Coincidences in both literature and cinema is nothing new. Proving them to be an influence is still a bit difficult unless we have proof.
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So is Last Man Standing a remake of Yojimbo or Fistful of Dollars... or neither... or both...? :D
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Markgway wrote:So is Last Man Standing a remake of Yojimbo or Fistful of Dollars... or neither... or both...? :D

And what about Boxer From Shantung or Hero (1997). Same kind of formula as LMS
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Markgway wrote:So is Last Man Standing a remake of Yojimbo or Fistful of Dollars... or neither... or both...? :D
Both :D. But Ryûzô Kikushima and Akira Kurosawa along with Walter Hill (Screenplay) get writing credit (WGA) for the film so I think it is safe to point to Yojimbo.

I need to check my copy, but does Last Man Standing have any good extras with Hill on them?

I have not seen the film in years (I saw it last on VHS, I have not seen my DVD copy.)

AK Film Club mentions that the movie was approved by Kurosawa Productions.
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Way of the Dragon: 3.5/5

Re-evaluated this somewhat and while its not a bad first effort from Bruce as writer/director, it could be better. The 'comedy' is often painful and doesn't translate well, but some of the best fights (2 nanchukus, Bruce v Wang In Sik/Bob Wall and Bruce v Chuck) which are brilliant.
Nora Miao is her hottest here :)
The twist at the end (having the uncle be a villain) is stupid.
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Akai tori ame (Japan, 1980) [VoD] – 2/5
Koyu Ohara’s pop-art magic cannot save this youth pic from its silly screenplay. A woman gets raped, and for being played by Nikkatsu’s unofficial rape queen Yuki Kazamatsuri (Kill Bill Vol. 1), the character gets raped again. The twist is that the two attackers are brothers unaware of each other’s actions. The story then turns into a melodrama when the older brother falls in love with the girl, still unaware of what his brother has done. The film is at its best when Ohara gets to play with disco lights, rollerblades, beach babes, and rock music, no doubt influenced by Saturday Night Fever. Seemingly the film’s moral is that raping is good fun, but sometimes it can get you into trouble.

Ninifuni (Japan, 2011) [DCP] – 3/5
Smash hit teen girl band Momoiro Clover co-stars in a minimalist arthouse film. The 42 minute meditation on depression and death follows a criminal on the run who eventually ends up on the same beach with the girls who are shooting a new music video. The contrast is obvious, but effective. Mariko never lets the film into full pop music bloom, but opts for low tech, documentary style means. The film never quite reaches the level of depth its aiming for, but certainly possesses originality. For Momoiro Clover it marks already the second fascinating cinematic appearance after the fake doc horror experiment Shirome. Whoever is the girls’ agent deserves a big glass of beer.

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grim_tales wrote:Way of the Dragon: 3.5/5

Re-evaluated this somewhat and while its not a bad first effort from Bruce as writer/director, it could be better. The 'comedy' is often painful and doesn't translate well, but some of the best fights (2 nanchukus, Bruce v Wang In Sik/Bob Wall and Bruce v Chuck) which are brilliant.
Nora Miao is her hottest here :)
The twist at the end (having the uncle be a villain) is stupid.
Agreed on all counts. Very much a sentimental favourite of mine.

The twist makes one wonder if Lo Wei wrote this...
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Still doing screencaps, but have moved on to some HK stuff...

A Chinese Ghost Story 1 & 2- 1987/1990- Never firm faves of mine, but the energy, ingenuity and artistic touches of these Ching Siu Tung/Tsui Hark collabos, cannot be dismissed. The special effects however is a mixed bag for sure. Now, I love me some hoakey 80's FX, but stuff like the cellar dwelling zombies in part 1 and the big ass monster in part 2 just looks bad. The stop motion is what it is, I was never a big fan of that particular technique, but I recognize its artistic merits. It is the latex monster sculpting that irks me, I just don't like it. It's not Trolls 2 bad, but still pretty bad. I like the fact that Leslie Cheung is the odd man out, and more of a reluctant protagonist than the big hero. Both Wu Ma and Jackie Cheung are fun as excentric daoist masters and Lau Siu Ming and Lau Shun are very creepy as the respective villains. As far as HK supernatural genre stuff goes, im more of a Spooky Encounters/ Mr. Vampire kind of guy, but these flicks are still very entertaining. Don't remember if I ever saw the third one, but i'll try to find it.

Wing Chun 1994- Yeah, either the title should have been changed, or the fight choreo should have reflected more actual Wing Chun. But I do really enjoy this film. It's goofy 90's Yuen clan wire fu, nothing more, nothing less. The undercranking should have been scaled back, as should some of the comedy, and the cheap looking costumes reflects the dwindling budgets the Yuens were working with at the time. Michelle and Donnie are both good here. Well, Donnie is good when he's fighting, the role doesn't really suit him, and I believe this was the movie that caused the rift between him and the Yuens. Tsui Siu Keung is always great, while Waise Lee is utterly useless. My love of this movie probably has more to do with nostalgia than the actual quality of the piece, to be honest.

Curry and Pepper 1990- Love the cop buddy action comedy genre, and while this might not reach efforts like Skinny Tiger, Fatty Dragon or Tiger On Beat, it is still a really fun film that I enjoy everytime I put it on. Jacky Cheung and pre-moy lei tau Stephen Chow have great chemistry, the comedy is actually funny, and the action is solid. I noticed that I like Stephen Chow much better before he became "Stephen Chow" in flicks like this and Final Justice. Director Blacky Ko, aside from playing the villian, balances his components just right, making this a very underrated film in my opinion.

Banana Cop 1984- I like George Lam... and his awesome moustache, and I like Teddy Robin Kwan and his Gollum like frame, so I blind bought this flick some years back, on the strength of those two, and im glad I did. They do make an odd couple in this London set thriller comedy (is that even a real genre?) and have great chemistry and fun interplay throughout. Not all gags land, but for the most part the film hits its marks. I love that the title reflects the George Lam character of a Chinese cop with Western attitudes.... yellow on the outside, white on the inside... like a banana.... get it? Ok, good :) Either way, a fun film.

A Moment of Romance 2 1993- Nowhere near as effective as the original, but since I have a strange fondness for sappy triad melodrama complete with schmaltzy canto ballads and tragic fates, this one still hits the spot. It feels rushed at times, some deeper characterizations would have been preferred and let's face it, Aaron Kwok is no Andy Lau. But despite these, and other minor flaws, I still really like this one.
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Pretty good choice of movies, Robot...

My ratings...

A Chinese Ghost Story 1/2 ***½/*** Classic and its solid sequel.
(while we're at it... A Chinese Ghost Story 3 **½)

Wing Chun *** Lots of fun... but, yeah, little actual WC content.

Curry and Pepper ** Didn't click with this one.

Banana Cop **½ Pretty OK comic thriller.

A Moment of Romance 2 *** Surprisingly good; in-name-only sequel
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RetroRobot wrote: A Chinese Ghost Story 1 & 2- 1987/1990- Never firm faves of mine, but the energy, ingenuity and artistic touches of these Ching Siu Tung/Tsui Hark collabos, cannot be dismissed. The special effects however is a mixed bag for sure. Now, I love me some hoakey 80's FX, but stuff like the cellar dwelling zombies in part 1 and the big ass monster in part 2 just looks bad. The stop motion is what it is, I was never a big fan of that particular technique, but I recognize its artistic merits. It is the latex monster sculpting that irks me, I just don't like it. It's not Trolls 2 bad, but still pretty bad. I like the fact that Leslie Cheung is the odd man out, and more of a reluctant protagonist than the big hero. Both Wu Ma and Jackie Cheung are fun as excentric daoist masters and Lau Siu Ming and Lau Shun are very creepy as the respective villains. As far as HK supernatural genre stuff goes, im more of a Spooky Encounters/ Mr. Vampire kind of guy, but these flicks are still very entertaining. Don't remember if I ever saw the third one, but i'll try to find it.
The first one is one of my all time favorites, love the special effects too. Parts 2 and 3, as far as I can remember, were far less impressive. More of the same, but without the magic, especially the third one. Still, I should rewatch them some day...
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Robot, I found two small-ish reviews on what you saw which I originally wrote on my criterion site (great selection you saw; I still need to see several, I think I have Banana Cop but I digress). As you see below I do not disagree with you on Wing Chun (definitely agree about the undercranking, I really hate when I notice it in action films) though I liked Curry & Pepper a little less then you did. I actually like Chow more when he becomes Chow :D, but his nonsense humor appeals to me in his later flicks.

Wing Chun (1994: Yuen Wo-ping: Hong Kong)

This is a fun martial art film with Michelle Yeoh as the titular character in this romantic comedy. Not as faithful to Wing Chun, the style taught to Bruce Lee from Yip Man, as either Warriors Two or The Prodigal Son as the Wo-ping choreography is more eclectic wire-work that is characteristic of Yuen’s oeuvre. But the athletic ability and flexibility of Yeoh, who was a trained dancer, adds grace and panache to the fight scenes.

Donnie Yen fighting ability is underused as the love interest and one might wonder about his mental viscosity for thinking Michelle Yeoh is a man, though she has manly clothes on and absolutely no one can defeat her in martial arts including him (not counting her sifu Ng Mei who in real life was the creator of Wing Chun and named the art after her). But this is characteristic of many martial art films where all a woman has to do is wear men’s clothing and put their hair under their hats to be considered male (though I have seen this in early Hollywood films such as Sylvia Scarlett). I found this relationship strangely like a Futurama episode where Zapp Brannigan was strangely attracted to Leela who was pretending to be a male.

If you like Yuen’s films like Iron Monkey and enjoy broad humor dealing with stinky tofu then I think you would enjoy this.

Curry & Pepper (1990: Blacky Ko: Hong Kong) **½/****

It would not be until All For the Winner a few months after this that Stephen Chow would become a true superstar in Hong Kong though it still was a big year for Chow who acted in a total of 11 films. But here he is second billed to Jacky Cheung (Days of Being Wild, High Risk) who plays more of a straight laced role (relatively speaking). Chow is blossoming as a performer and gets to do a bit of his shtick but is tamer compared to his later films.

For the most part this is a typical buddy cop film with all the typical contrivances. Both cops are good at what they do, but take a more pragmatic approach to crime instead of by-the-book. There is even a woman reporter (Ann Bridgewater: Full Contact) that comes in between them that leads to the inevitable break-up (and later redemption) of the friendship.

The director Blacky Ko Sau-leung is also the terminator like bad-guy in the film. He had been a stuntman and supporting actor for years so his approach to this film is certainly an action-oriented one. There are some impressive stunts, falls and fight scenes. There is a couple of very impressive pier dives early in the film. There is also a surprising gweilo fight scene where the two attempt to arrest two foreigners who are passing counterfeit bills who just happen to know kung fu (weird that in this film I have seen the most Caucasians I think ever in a Hong Kong movie; also a lot of English, which I have heard before, but some of the mangling of expletives is quite hilarious).

There is some great footage of Hong Kong and Andrew Lau’s (Infernal Affairs Trilogy) cinematography is the best aspect of the movie. There is so much on-location footage. While filming many unsuspecting audience members (sometimes though they are gathering around just to see the filming and get caught in the process) get unwittingly get caught up in the act like when Eric Tsang is trying to shake down customers to buy counterfeit watches (is that a Romex) or when Stephen Chow is trying to show to the reporter how people are hardened against crime and will not help.

Overall this is a fun film and a decent choice for those who are already immersed in Hong Kong movies. I watched the ancient (1999; has a hologram image for the DVD) Universal R0/NTSC release which has some of the typical problems of subtitle translation (getting he/she wrong; getting the spoken English phrases wrong, my favorite “Shit you, Shit you!”.) Though be warned upgrading your R0 doesn’t mean the translations are better.
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Nice revs, Master. I think sometimes that my appreciation for films are somewhat tinted by, not only nostalgia for a specific film, but for the era in which it was made. Honestly, late 80's early 90's HK flicks have to be abhorrently awful for me to not even like them a little. They just have a certain vibe, certain look, certain locations etc. that I really respond to. It's like a cinematic comfort blanket or something, I can't really explain it. But that is probably why I cut a lot of films of that time a lot more slack than I do others. And it's probably not really fair.

Though I do try to not factor that into the equation when writing proper reviews for others to read. I know other people won't have the same feelings or vibes that I get from thse films, so I try to keep it as objective as I can. This is something I have been struggling with, as to what writing style I should go with for my future site. The ultra personal take, which is probably more quirky and funny, but less helpful for others as a recommendation. Or the more dry and objective take, of course colored by personal opinion, but more based on the facts, parametres and genre conventions. Personally, I like reading both types myself, but im just not sure what to go with.
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RetroRobot wrote:Nice revs, Master. I think sometimes that my appreciation for films are somewhat tinted by, not only nostalgia for a specific film, but for the era in which it was made. Honestly, late 80's early 90's HK flicks have to be abhorrently awful for me to not even like them a little. They just have a certain vibe, certain look, certain locations etc. that I really respond to. It's like a cinematic comfort blanket or something, I can't really explain it. But that is probably why I cut a lot of films of that time a lot more slack than I do others. And it's probably not really fair.

Though I do try to not factor that into the equation when writing proper reviews for others to read. I know other people won't have the same feelings or vibes that I get from thse films, so I try to keep it as objective as I can. This is something I have been struggling with, as to what writing style I should go with for my future site. The ultra personal take, which is probably more quirky and funny, but less helpful for others as a recommendation. Or the more dry and objective take, of course colored by personal opinion, but more based on the facts, parametres and genre conventions. Personally, I like reading both types myself, but im just not sure what to go with.
I understand and agree. Some films I can give a **½/**** (this would be considered the best rating for a thumb's down for Roger Ebert) and will want to rewatch it more than a better made film from a director I have stylstic issues with (say Godard for example; though I might argue that his films are not necessarily better.) I like/love Hong Kong film almost regardless of era from neorealist liberal dramas from the 1950s to modern day fare (I do prefer 80s and 90s though). I wish I had more time to watch HK movies (I do spend a lot of time building up my cinematic acumen so I am a little schizophrenic with my viewings, but that does make things interesting, the bad aspect of this is that I feel more jack of all trades more than master of some.) But I do get a lot of suggestions from you guys (here and on KFC) for future watches. The one argument that I will argue against that I have read recently is the "I"ve watched everything" in HK/China/Taiwan/...; as we know there is always more to watch, learn, write about (though I think an important key to this is not to overdo one genre which can burn you out much more easier than learning about several.) I take the marathon view of this and do not think of learning about movies as a sprint.

On writing style (my opinion only): Go with what ever type you will write more with and feel more comfortable with. But also don't feel like you have to have a specific style for each and every single review/essay you write. Most important keep it fun for yourself, especially since none of us are doing it for money (if you are writing for money, then you should write to the audience that is paying you). Interject humor when you want to, use the diction you want to, digress when you think it is important, but most of all make it readable :).
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I guess I feel most comfortable somewhere in the middle, a somewhat fast and fun read, without going for comedy and with enough info to not just be a superficial quick-take.

Here's an example, my review of the first Missing in Action with Cuck Norris. I think I struck the right balance here, but tell me what you think. Not looking for affirmation or ego stroking, but an honest opinion. Let's say you hadn't seen this, would this be helpful?

MISSING IN ACTION 1984

Never shy about making a quick buck, the guys at Cannon Films got wind of the James Cameron treatment for a Rambo sequel that was making the rounds in Hollywood at the time, and rushed to production with their own similar themed series, featuring their number one star, Chuck Norris.

MIA 1 and 2 was shot back to back, but switched around, as this was deemed the better of the two by Cannon execs, and most likely to beat Sly to the punch with the ‘going back to Nam’ premise. Chuck actually signed on as a memorial to his brother Wieland, who was killed in Vietnam, so Rambo knock-off or not, at least his motives were somewhat more honorable than those of the ole’ Golan Globus boys. The fact that this had already been done a year prior in Uncommon Valor, directed by First Blood helmer Ted Kotcheff, no less, apparently didn’t bother anyone.

Now, there is no doubt that Stallone’s Rambo- First Blood part 2 is the better movie in every conceivable way. Missing in Action suffers greatly from some rather uninspired direction from Joseph Zito and some structural problems that are just too big to ignore. The action scenes are sluggish, at best, the pacing is off, and the whole thing is just kind of cheap looking. But the worst offense is no doubt having Chuck kill off the two main bad guys within the one hour mark, leaving only nondescript NVA soldiers to deal with for the remaining forty minutes. This is just a really poor choice, as it deflates any kind of momentum the movie was trying to build. I realize that the big payoff here is supposed to be Chuck bringing back the POWs, which is the whole point of the story. But without a big showdown, it’s just him taking out a faceless horde of cronies, with relative ease, to get to his main objective.

Why bother setting up James Hong as the slimy general, and more importantly, Ernie Ortega as Chuck’s old nemesis from the prison camp, if you’re just gonna waste them, by killing them off before Chuck even ventures out on his actual mission? The whole concept of the ‘man on a mission’ movie is that the hero is up against impossible odds; a series of obstacles that stands in the way of the ultimate goal. Preferably in the form of a formidable villain who blocks the hero’s perilous path, and a deadly henchman, if you have the time. Not a pack of mindless drones, who falls at the drop of a pith helmet. This is MIA’s main problem, and just an all-around head scratching decision that cuts the movie off at the knees.

Would this have been a masterpiece, had this choice in narrative been different? Well, no… it has other issues, as mentioned. But it would have made for a more competent experience, and almost certainly a more exciting final reel. As it stands, Missing in Action is a flawed, but still somewhat entertaining Cannon romp, that squeaks by on its 80’s machismo, flag waving cheesiness and the inexplicable screen presence of Chuck Norris. Despite having the acting chops of driftwood, Chuck of the 80’s was somehow enjoyable to watch all through that decade. Maybe it was the beard, maybe the one-liners, or the 1½ facial expression at his disposal, but there was some inherent primal quality that kept us watching back then. Even in mediocre fare like this…. Go figure.
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Remember, my opinion only and my philosophy of writing is sprinkled in here:

Yes it would be helpful. As a review it is fine and I liked the facts sprinkled in it.
In final form, make sure the paragraphs show.
Some reviews like this might need to have "spoilers here" just in case (I have no issue, but some might.) Or mention that in an introductory paragraph for the site.
I have never particularly liked answering your own questions (yes I have done this) as in the final paragraph.
Don't forget this is a multimedia environment, so always feel comfortable adding links, pertinent pictures (this can easily be overdone), etc...
The best writing is in the rewriting. Do the rewriting in an application like Word which can help you catch grammatical issues. This is more important when you publish it versus a forum comment. If you see too many commas in the sentence, you might consider rewriting to flow better. For example you do not want a one-sentence paragraph like the first one.
"Maybe it was the beard" I like this.

You are not making me want to watch the film :).

ON a side-note: have you read any of Chuck's books. I think I have read them all. He certainly mentions his brother quite a bit, so that was important to put in the review.
RetroRobot wrote:I guess I feel most comfortable somewhere in the middle, a somewhat fast and fun read, without going for comedy and with enough info to not just be a superficial quick-take.

Here's an example, my review of the first Missing in Action with Cuck Norris. I think I struck the right balance here, but tell me what you think. Not looking for affirmation or ego stroking, but an honest opinion. Let's say you hadn't seen this, would this be helpful?

MISSING IN ACTION 1984

Never shy about making a quick buck, the guys at Cannon Films got wind of the James Cameron treatment for a Rambo sequel that was making the rounds in Hollywood at the time, and rushed to production with their own similar themed series, featuring their number one star, Chuck Norris.

MIA 1 and 2 was shot back to back, but switched around, as this was deemed the better of the two by Cannon execs, and most likely to beat Sly to the punch with the ‘going back to Nam’ premise. Chuck actually signed on as a memorial to his brother Wieland, who was killed in Vietnam, so Rambo knock-off or not, at least his motives were somewhat more honorable than those of the ole’ Golan Globus boys. The fact that this had already been done a year prior in Uncommon Valor, directed by First Blood helmer Ted Kotcheff, no less, apparently didn’t bother anyone.

Now, there is no doubt that Stallone’s Rambo- First Blood part 2 is the better movie in every conceivable way. Missing in Action suffers greatly from some rather uninspired direction from Joseph Zito and some structural problems that are just too big to ignore. The action scenes are sluggish, at best, the pacing is off, and the whole thing is just kind of cheap looking. But the worst offense is no doubt having Chuck kill off the two main bad guys within the one hour mark, leaving only nondescript NVA soldiers to deal with for the remaining forty minutes. This is just a really poor choice, as it deflates any kind of momentum the movie was trying to build. I realize that the big payoff here is supposed to be Chuck bringing back the POWs, which is the whole point of the story. But without a big showdown, it’s just him taking out a faceless horde of cronies, with relative ease, to get to his main objective.

Why bother setting up James Hong as the slimy general, and more importantly, Ernie Ortega as Chuck’s old nemesis from the prison camp, if you’re just gonna waste them, by killing them off before Chuck even ventures out on his actual mission? The whole concept of the ‘man on a mission’ movie is that the hero is up against impossible odds; a series of obstacles that stands in the way of the ultimate goal. Preferably in the form of a formidable villain who blocks the hero’s perilous path, and a deadly henchman, if you have the time. Not a pack of mindless drones, who falls at the drop of a pith helmet. This is MIA’s main problem, and just an all-around head scratching decision that cuts the movie off at the knees.

Would this have been a masterpiece, had this choice in narrative been different? Well, no… it has other issues, as mentioned. But it would have made for a more competent experience, and almost certainly a more exciting final reel. As it stands, Missing in Action is a flawed, but still somewhat entertaining Cannon romp, that squeaks by on its 80’s machismo, flag waving cheesiness and the inexplicable screen presence of Chuck Norris. Despite having the acting chops of driftwood, Chuck of the 80’s was somehow enjoyable to watch all through that decade. Maybe it was the beard, maybe the one-liners, or the 1½ facial expression at his disposal, but there was some inherent primal quality that kept us watching back then. Even in mediocre fare like this…. Go figure.
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Thanks for the pointers. Actually, the spaces in between sections is where the screen caps go, four rows of three pics. But yeah, the whole thing is still a work in progress. You're right about answering my own questions. I tend to do that a lot in reviews, and I don't know why. I'll work on that. Also, my whole site would be prefaced with a spoiler warning as im focusing on older films. Though I would obviously not reveal major plot points and such.
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Donnie Yen fighting ability is underused as the love interest and one might wonder about his mental viscosity for thinking Michelle Yeoh is a man
Lol... the Shaw Bros movies are probably worse. I swear there was one where the "boy" was wearing make-up! But it's all pantomime fun and a lot easier to handle in a comedy.

BTW. I prefer the MIA movies to Rambo, but that's probably down to the power of Chuck's beard.
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I can't remember but in Wing Chun, isnt 'Tofu Beauty' a double entendre (kind of), in Cantonese it means something.. er naughty? :D
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I love the second one, and the third one has its moments, but I just think the first one is pretty half-ass, though still servicable Cannon fodder if you're in the mood.

But hey, didn't mean to derail the Asian movie thread, just got a little side tracked.

More screencaps, more HK flicks....

SUNSHINE COPS 1999- When you look up feel-good-movie up in a dictionary, there really should be a picture of this flick. Super positive vibes, and just a carefree, breezy feel to the whole thing, even when there's conflict and action on screen, yet it never feels forced or ridiculous. Obviously this is not a movie that you take too seriously, and the characters are not deep enough for you to really invest yourself in, but the films sunny disposition makes every frame a joy to watch. I love that when you reach what should be the low point of the two cop characters, and you think that it's gonna be a sad moment, they just say fuck it, cranks up their car stereo and starts to dance. Now, in any other movie, I would probably find this utterly ridiculous and far fetched, but here it somehow works. I love that scene. I like Stephen Fung and the other guy (im blanking on his name) is good too. There's some decent action beats and the comedy and chemistry works well also. This film always puts me in a good mood.

A TRUE MOB STORY 1998- The complete opposite of Sunshine Cops, but a fine film nonetheless. Reportedly based on the real life triad exploits of producer/actor Charles Heung, though he has denied this in interviews. This is one of the better Wong Jing films, with great performances by Andy Lau, Suki Kwan and especially Mark Cheng, who is so vile and volatile that some of his scenes are downright uncomfortable to watch. Some plot points could have been handled better, like the whole Gigi Leung angle, but ultimately this is a very effective gangster flick that deserves more props. A good companion piece to this is Century of the Dragon from the following year, also with Andy and Suki, but here Patrick Tam is the badguy and he is just utterly despicable. I love me some slimy triad villains.
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grim_tales wrote:I can't remember but in Wing Chun, isnt 'Tofu Beauty' a double entendre (kind of), in Cantonese it means something.. er naughty? :D
I know that the term "grinding the tofu" in cantonese is slang for... well, let's just say it... eating pussy.
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I remember Century of the Dragon being a particularly strong film from Wong Jing.

I think I gave it 3.5/4.

I don't give out many of those to Wong Jing.
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RetroRobot wrote:
grim_tales wrote:I can't remember but in Wing Chun, isnt 'Tofu Beauty' a double entendre (kind of), in Cantonese it means something.. er naughty? :D
I know that the term "grinding the tofu" in cantonese is slang for... well, let's just say it... eating pussy.
I thought it was something along those lines :icon_suspect: :D
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RetroRobot wrote:Wing Chun 1994- Yeah, either the title should have been changed, or the fight choreo should have reflected more actual Wing Chun. But I do really enjoy this film. It's goofy 90's Yuen clan wire fu, nothing more, nothing less. The undercranking should have been scaled back, as should some of the comedy, and the cheap looking costumes reflects the dwindling budgets the Yuens were working with at the time. Michelle and Donnie are both good here. Well, Donnie is good when he's fighting, the role doesn't really suit him, and I believe this was the movie that caused the rift between him and the Yuens. Tsui Siu Keung is always great, while Waise Lee is utterly useless. My love of this movie probably has more to do with nostalgia than the actual quality of the piece, to be honest.
I might be one in the minority but I actually liked Donnie's comic performance. However it shows that he wasn't comfortable doing that kind of comedy (Bey Logan points it out on his HKL audio commentary) that Woo Ping was known for at the time and it shows in his overdone gestures. But overall, he's no stranger to comedy in my book. He did just fine in Mismatched Couples, Tiger Cage II, Painted Skin, All's Well Ends Well 2011, All's Well Ends Well 2012, and supposedly his acting performance in The Monkey King further cements his stature as a great actor.
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I found Donnie's performance in Wing Chun to be likeable and engaging and whilst the film isn't a 'classic' everyone did a good job.
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