Inferior director's/extended cuts of films?

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 06 Apr 2006, 17:58

Shame both films suck balls, big gay balls at that.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 06 Apr 2006, 18:08

romerojpg wrote:Shame both films suck balls, big gay balls at that.

rubbish!! i've never seen eyes but the shining is a classic. 8) go on,tell me the tv remake was superior in every way.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 06 Apr 2006, 19:00

I wouldnt watch the TV version after seeing the origanal, I really hated it a lot

I am a Full Metal jacket man myself

and Spartacus apart from them 2 I dont like any other films he has done.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 06 Apr 2006, 20:35

grim_tales wrote:OK
Arent they both 16/9 though?

Yes. Does the R1 have mono?

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 06 Apr 2006, 20:53

Mono

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 06 Apr 2006, 22:35

Urinates on the dodgy 5.1 remix for sure.

I think this happened with the Terminator as well...

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Apr 2006, 22:46

Eyes Wide Shut is a mess. What a self indulgent mess, the soundtrack is good though.

The Shining - Oh man easily one of the most scary films ever made. When Jack goes mad I was well scared. Edge of your seat stuff. Far scarier than The Exorcist.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 06 Apr 2006, 22:50

Anythings scarier than The Exorcist man

The Tweenies included.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 07 Apr 2006, 07:49

bradavon wrote:Eyes Wide Shut is a mess. What a self indulgent mess,

Finally, someone else who thinks EWS is total pants. Vanity trip bollocks.

the soundtrack is good though.

You talking about the score? That repetitive piano playing the same few notes over and over drove me up the wall, fucking awful score.

Speaking of Kubrick, Full Metal Jacket is one of the HD disc format launch titles. It'll interesting to see what they do with the aspect ratio. The native ratio of HD is 1.78:1, so maybe the film will be matted to widescreen? Or it possibly might be in anamorphic pillarbox, thus preserving the 4:3 unmatted ratio.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 07 Apr 2006, 08:00

bradavon wrote:The Exorcist: This is supposed to be scary right? What an overrated film, decent but hardly scary. The ONLY scary scene was cut, that being the Spider scene.

The spider-walk scene was only removed from the original TC cuz it looked laughably fake. The wires were digitally removed and it was sped up for the 2000 alternative cut.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 07 Apr 2006, 10:39

Markgway wrote:
grim_tales wrote:OK
Arent they both 16/9 though?
Yes. Does the R1 have mono?

On the TC (non SE) it does yes.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:32

EvaUnit02 wrote:You talking about the score? That repetitive piano playing the same few notes over and over drove me up the wall, fucking awful score.

Nope I was talking about the Chris Issak song.

EvaUnit02 wrote:The spider-walk scene was only removed from the original TC cuz it looked laughably fake. The wires were digitally removed and it was sped up for the 2000 alternative cut.

I didn't know that. I've only seen the 2000 DVD, it was effective in that.

The thing is The Exorcist is supposed to be the most scary film ever made. Yes it's shocking to see a young girl speak in such a vulgar fashion and put crucifixes in places they really shouldn't go but but scary???

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 07 Apr 2006, 15:25

I'd ask why Romero was laughing about my use of the term "mono" but I don't really care as I'm sure it's something I'd disagree with anyways... 8)

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 07 Apr 2006, 15:35

Mono is awesome ONLY if it's the original mix of the film, it's utter arse otherwise.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 07 Apr 2006, 15:45

Well, it is the original mix on The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, which is what I was referring to.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 07 Apr 2006, 16:21

I can live with John Kirk's stupid 5.1 remix of GBU extended which restores Leone's full vision - visually and in terms of narrative at least. You can keep your 1968 United Artists hackjob.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 07 Apr 2006, 16:49

Its acctually a great 5.1 remix.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 07 Apr 2006, 17:03

The "hackjob" as you put it wasn't done by United Artists, but by Leone himself for international release. The extra sequences in the "restored" version are almost all extraneous. And while we're at it the restoration isn't a director's cut since some footage is still missing from the Italian release. Thus the only one of the two that Leone oversaw was the theatrical cut.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 07 Apr 2006, 17:13

Its not a good 5.1 remix, the gunshots sound all wrong - and the dialogue is wierdly spread over all 5 speakers.
I agree the "extra" scenes are superfluous Mark, most of them are on the R1 anyway.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 07 Apr 2006, 17:25

Thats your sound system Grim then

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 07 Apr 2006, 18:16

Markgway wrote:I'd ask why Romero was laughing about my use of the term "mono" but I don't really care as I'm sure it's something I'd disagree with anyways... 8)

I thought he was just replying answering the question, anyway it's not important.

grim_tales wrote:and the dialogue is wierdly spread over all 5 speakers.

Is that right? I despise when they do this.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 07 Apr 2006, 18:25

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 07 Apr 2006, 18:48

Thats how I noticed it on my system. I asked Eva and he said thats what MGM had done. I first noticed it in the scene with Blondie/Tuco in the desert ("Way back to town is only 70 miles...")
And my set up is fine thanks Romero - always has been.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 08 Apr 2006, 05:32

Markgway wrote:The "hackjob" as you put it wasn't done by United Artists, but by Leone himself for international release.

Yeah, made after pressure from United Artists.

\And while we're at it the restoration isn't a director's cut since some footage is still missing from the Italian release.

I never said that it was a DC. It's much closer to Leone's original vision than the US TC.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 08 Apr 2006, 05:39

grim_tales wrote:Its not a good 5.1 remix, the gunshots sound all wrong - .

Leone spent a long while recording gunshots in a valley until they sounded how he wanted (I wouldn't say that's as extreme as say Zhang Yimou waiting until the seasons changed to film though). John Kirk reportedly replaced alot of the gunshots for the 5.1 remix, also they haven't pitch-corrected for home theatre viewing and are still "loudened" for cinema viewing.

and the dialogue is wierdly spread over all 5 speakers

Actually alot of the dialogue is still rooted in the centre, just some it has been made directional in some scenes (eg when the speaker is off screen).

romerojpg wrote:Its acctually a great 5.1 remix.

Nah it sucks. If you want a 5.1 remix of a Leone film "done right", see Once Upon a Time in the West and Once Upon a Time in America - they preserve all the original foley effects AFAIK. I still prefer the original mono though when it's available.

Have any of you seen OUaTiA? Now that's a great film, easily dwarves Godfather 1&2 IMO.