DTO - Download to Own - is this a good idea?

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 11 Apr 2006, 10:02

Hey,

I think I heard on the C5 news yesterday that King Kong (2005) is the first DTO movie, for £20 (?) you can download it to your PC to keep and you also get a free copy of the DVD. Its supposed to combat piracy (or something like that).

Whats the point though

I mean, it'd be a lot cheaper to buy the real DVD and play it in your PC, no? I guess then people would just make a DVD-R of it

http://www.abcmoney.co.uk/news/2620062228.htm

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Apr 2006, 12:20

If it was £10-13 then I'd say it was a good idea but £20 no thanks.

The file is bound to be in some really annoying copy protected format.

Mordib · Post by **Mordib** » 11 Apr 2006, 12:36

yep, for £5 in a format that was playable in divx capable dvd players I would go for it. Anything more an you may as well buy the dvd with all the cool packaging and extras

edit: of course to get dts or anything like that then even on the fastest uk connection you're gonna be waiting a long time.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 11 Apr 2006, 12:50

Yup, pretty pointless if you ask me. I'd much rather have nice, shiny packaging along with the film.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 11 Apr 2006, 12:50

Never. I wouldn't take even if I got for free. I'm a dvd collector, and I want to have my dvds right here in my dvd shelf, packed in their original package.

For me collecting dvds is like collecting stamps. You can't fucking download and print them...

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Apr 2006, 12:58

For free I would, I'd rather not pay to watch all films.

I can see it taking off though, look at ITunes and the like. The bandwith will have to be really good as people will otherwise get bored of waiting.

Mordib wrote:edit: of course to get dts or anything like that then even on the fastest uk connection you're gonna be waiting a long time.

I seriously doubt it has DTS and even if it does have 5.1 the bitrate will be considerably though than DTS' bitrate.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 11 Apr 2006, 13:19

A rip off. Don't bother. Buy the DVD for half the price.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 11 Apr 2006, 14:23

I thought this was gong to be about PC software-on-demand from the title. I could care less what they do with the physical discs, as long as they don't implement DMR or some equally draconian anti-piracy, anti-import methods like Sony plan to do with Blu-ray.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Apr 2006, 14:34

I'd be surprised if they don't equally surprised if in a few months it's not cracked.

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 11 Apr 2006, 15:11

EvaUnit02 wrote:I thought this was gong to be about PC software-on-demand from the title. I could care less what they do with the physical discs, as long as they don't implement DMR or some equally draconian anti-piracy, anti-import methods like Sony plan to do with Blu-ray.

Argh!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 11 Apr 2006, 15:12

Markgway wrote:A rip off. Don't bother. Buy the DVD for half the price.

Yeah, thats what I thought too - buy the real thing and play it on your PC

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 11 Apr 2006, 15:52

EvaUnit02 wrote:I thought this was gong to be about PC software-on-demand from the title. I could care less what they do with the physical discs, as long as they don't implement DMR or some equally draconian anti-piracy, anti-import methods like Sony plan to do with Blu-ray.

Argh too!

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 12 Apr 2006, 11:18

Pfff... whenever I download something I automatically 'own' it. Its on my PC, isnt it? I'd never pay these idiotic prices for some bits and bytes of data.
If I want a movie I'll buy it in the shop. If they dont have it, I'll download it for free... but I'll never pay for online data, unless it's a very very fair price.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 12 Apr 2006, 11:27

The asking price is a bit too high. Assuming that the quality is reasonable then it may be OK for the odd film that you're only slightly interested in. But as mentioned, it's easier and more convenient just to buy the DVD.

It is predicted that HD/Blue ray will be the last of the physical medium for watching movies... future formats will be downloads on your hard drives. Kinda like with today's MP3 culture. Youth's today seem to prefer mass data storage instead of shelf space. The days of decorating your room with beautiful LEs and tons of DVDs will soon be over... perhaps...

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Apr 2006, 12:42

There will always be a market for a physical medium.

It's a long way off before we see DVD content downloadable at exactly the same quality and even longer before HD content.

The size of an average film is much more than an average mp3.

My broter though you're right barely ever buys CDs anymore he downloads them from MSN Music (silly I know). He usually opts for a few tracks not albums though. I suspect he'll grow out of this and buy CD albums when he get older.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 12 Apr 2006, 13:00

When you buy a DVD you automatically "own" it, so surely you can do what you like with it, copy it to DVD-R for a friend or something?

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 12 Apr 2006, 22:36

As far as I know, the argument is that whilst you own the physical disc itself, the intellectual property (as in the film, menu etc. etc.) on it belongs to the studio. So, unless they authorise a copy of a disc, you can't make one.
This is why even backing up a DVD is considered dodgy turf.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 12 Apr 2006, 23:42

Aren't you allowed to make a single back-up for personal use?

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 12 Apr 2006, 23:50

Nah. Not legally anyway. This may be the case regarding software, but I think even that is frowned upon now.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 12 Apr 2006, 23:50

Aren't you allowed to make a single back-up for personal use?

In most free countries, yes.

When you buy a DVD you automatically "own" it, so surely you can do what you like with it, copy it to DVD-R for a friend or something?

Hell no. Lending a DVD, CD or Software to a friend is illegal. You should know that.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 12 Apr 2006, 23:54

Tom2681 wrote:In most free countries, yes.

And that doesn't include the UK

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 13 Apr 2006, 00:11

Tom2681 wrote:Hell no. Lending a DVD, CD or Software to a friend is illegal. You should know that.

For real? Or were you being ironic again? Man, I can't tell irony from reality anymore.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 13 Apr 2006, 00:13

I think lending is OK if you don't charge money.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 13 Apr 2006, 00:13

Yes for real.
Two people have access to the same product, and the product has only been bought once. Clearly illegal.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 13 Apr 2006, 00:16

Well wait... then it would be illegal to invite my friends to watch a film?

You also mentioned software... does this include multiplayer video games? Am I not allowed to play say "Mario Kart" head-to-head with my brothers if they don't all own the game themselves?

LOL!

The silliest shit I have ever heard. What a sad country France is, man!