You're forgetting Raging Bull UE.bradavon wrote:These are all the new Sony MGM UE DVDs right? Have I missed any? -
Rocky UE Box Set
The Terminator: UE
Magnificent Seven: UE
The Silence of the Lambs: UE
Platoon: UE
The Silence of the Lambs: Ultimate Edition announced:
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That's a real stinker, when you consider what came before (both Manhunter and SOTL). All the comedy really, really pissed me off.EvaUnit02 wrote:Any word on whether they'll bundle this with the Hannibal 2-discer?
If they did they'd include Red Dragon.
Oh yeah I did.EvaUnit02 wrote:You're forgetting Raging Bull UE.
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Yeah, Hannibal is a big cartoon villain in that one and Gary Oldman's character (the guy with no face who like feeding to pigs) was just dumb. Still a fun film to watch though and Ridley has made worse films - that dreck GI Jane comes to mind.[/quote]bradavon wrote:That's a real stinker, when you consider what came before (both Manhunter and SOTL). All the comedy really, really pissed me off.EvaUnit02 wrote:Any word on whether they'll bundle this with the Hannibal 2-discer?
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There are two problems with the European UE's -EvaUnit02 wrote:Thanks. I will buy this if it has the full opening credits intact.
"Note about the transfer: There is a one pixelation error in the transfer, in the beginning of chapter 8 at the timecode 0:30:20. There are also some missing opening credits. First credits what are shown are:
-Brooke Smith/Diane Baker/Kasi Lemmons.
These credits are missing:
-A Strong Heart/Demme Productions/Jodie Foster/Anthony Hopkins/Scott Glenn/"The Silence Of The Lambs"/Ted Levine/Anthony Heald."
If both are fixed I'll upgrade
http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=749
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Good question. It was first reported on the Scandinavian R2 to Sony which came out a few weeks earlier. Sony didn't give a shit and released the UK anyway.
Especially the "The Silence Of The Lambs" one, it has no title
The R1 won't have removable captions too.
p.s - Bar the commentary the Criterion is an overrated mess!
Especially the "The Silence Of The Lambs" one, it has no title
The R1 won't have removable captions too.
p.s - Bar the commentary the Criterion is an overrated mess!
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I knew that and that's what I was refering to before. Practice what you preach and stop being patronising yourself.bradavon wrote: There are two problems with the European UE's -
"Note about the transfer: There is a one pixelation error in the transfer, in the beginning of chapter 8 at the timecode 0:30:20. There are also some missing opening credits. First credits what are shown are:
-Brooke Smith/Diane Baker/Kasi Lemmons.
These credits are missing:
-A Strong Heart/Demme Productions/Jodie Foster/Anthony Hopkins/Scott Glenn/"The Silence Of The Lambs"/Ted Levine/Anthony Heald."
Agreed about the Criterion, it is garbage. A non-anamorphic transfer that was directly ported from a laserdisc. People need to stop putting these early garbage Criterion discs like Robocop, SOTL, The Killer and Hardboiled on a pedestal. For a brand that is supposedly the "highest quality" they sure had no problems qualms about releasing shit LD-ported discs back in the 1997/1998; that crap cannot be justified at all so "all to be fair..." arguments are redundant.
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I have to say that the DVD Beaver screen cap comparison (see below) between the Criterion and MGM editions of 'Robocop' favours the Criterion, IMO.
More detail/film grain, better colours/tones, superior brightness and contrast, "director's" aspect ratio.
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare3/robocop.htm
Judge for yourselves...
More detail/film grain, better colours/tones, superior brightness and contrast, "director's" aspect ratio.
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare3/robocop.htm
Judge for yourselves...
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Exactly, I was just about to put that, Robocop should be at 1:66 ratio, yet MGM released it at 1:85, did they crop the movie? Looks like it
Silence of the Lamb, if you see the difference, i much prefer how Criterion has it, I like the following review from Whiggle:
http://www.zetaminor.com/dvd/dvdreviews/silence_x_3.htm
Especially the airport scene.. I much prefer the Criterion version
Silence of the Lamb, if you see the difference, i much prefer how Criterion has it, I like the following review from Whiggle:
Just see the difference on this site:Whiggle wrote:Taken entirely on its own terms, the MGM release has a pretty nice transfer. It has decent clarity, little edge enhancement, solid encoding and average-to-good detail. As an accurate representation of its director's intentions, however, it is a disgrace: its colours and brightness levels manipulated and "normalised" to high heck, and severely cropped on the left hand side most of the time (around 5% of the image missing). Whoever at MGM was in charge of creating the master for their DVD clearly did not understand that the scenes "down in the dungeon", to quote Dr. Lecter, were meant to be dark and red-tinted. Jodie Foster and Anthony Hopkins' faces should look as if they are poorly lit by cheap underground lighting, not bathed in a neon glow! Contrast this with Example 7, where little to no colour goosing has gone on and the two versions are more or less identical in terms of hue. Sorry, guys, the Criterion has the edge.
http://www.zetaminor.com/dvd/dvdreviews/silence_x_3.htm
Especially the airport scene.. I much prefer the Criterion version
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Robocop I could live with being non-anamorphic 1.66:1 but SOTL no way. The 1.85:1/1.78:1 aspect ratio in particular looks awful on a WS set. It needs to be anamorphic for me to be acceptable.
No way does the Criterion have the edge, for me anyway. Anamorphic is a massively important one for me (if applicable).
No way does the Criterion have the edge, for me anyway. Anamorphic is a massively important one for me (if applicable).
I wasn't being patronising. Sorry if you thought I was but to be fair you didn't mention 1 of the 2 faults anyway.EvaUnit02 wrote:I knew that and that's what I was refering to before. Practice what you preach and stop being patronising yourself.
Agreed.EvaUnit02 wrote:Agreed about the Criterion, it is garbage. A non-anamorphic transfer that was directly ported from a laserdisc. People need to stop putting these early garbage Criterion discs like Robocop, SOTL, The Killer and Hardboiled on a pedestal. For a brand that is supposedly the "highest quality" they sure had no problems qualms about releasing shit LD-ported discs back in the 1997/1998; that crap cannot be justified at all so "all to be fair..." arguments are redundant.
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I like the original captions on the Criterion: but overall still prefer the MGM image.
See comparison:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare/silence.htm
Yes, you may have a fair point about the DP's lighting intentions, but the CT transfer is still too reddish. Look at Jodie's face in the last cap.
See comparison:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare/silence.htm
Yes, you may have a fair point about the DP's lighting intentions, but the CT transfer is still too reddish. Look at Jodie's face in the last cap.
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Another two Criterion Vs MGM comps:
http://dvdscan.com/silence.htm
http://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/writin ... lence.html
(The second comp is particularly useful)
http://dvdscan.com/silence.htm
http://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/writin ... lence.html
(The second comp is particularly useful)
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That Whiggles comparison just shows he's a Criterion fanboy. The Criterion is a red mess, the MGM is MUCH nicer and Anamorphic to boot.
Some shots are so dark and red in the CC you can't even see the people. The fact he's given the MGM 5 out of 10 proves he's biased. 5 out of 10, jeez no matter which you prefer it's not that bad.
I really hope Sony don't mess this one up again as I'd like to upgrade from my MGM!
Some shots are so dark and red in the CC you can't even see the people. The fact he's given the MGM 5 out of 10 proves he's biased. 5 out of 10, jeez no matter which you prefer it's not that bad.
I really hope Sony don't mess this one up again as I'd like to upgrade from my MGM!
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Criterion is not a mess at all. 5 out of 10 is bit harsh for the MGM but his written review was fair enough and he didn't rate the Criterion highly either.bradavon wrote:That Whiggles comparison just shows he's a Criterion fanboy. The Criterion is a red mess, the MGM is MUCH nicer and Anamorphic to boot.
Some shots are so dark and red in the CC you can't even see the people. The fact he's given the MGM 5 out of 10 proves he's biased. 5 out of 10, jeez no matter which you prefer it's not that bad.
I really hope Sony don't mess this one up again as I'd like to upgrade from my MGM!
In terms of detail, theres not much difference between the two. Its just the MGM has had its levels boosted which may fool people into thinking it has more detail but its not much better. The colours have also changed, this is what got Whiggles mad, and he has a point. Its different and the Criterion trasnfer was approved by Tak Fujimoto (the director of photography i think)
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Okay not a mess but it is too red and non-anamorphic. Personally my own eyes take precedence over what a director/producer/dop etc... thinks and it's too red.
Also for me like I said anamorphic is a big one and the Criterion is not anamorphic.
Also for me like I said anamorphic is a big one and the Criterion is not anamorphic.
Good point. More the reason to get it right.EvaUnit02 wrote:Sony no longer handle the MGM catalogue, remember? It'll be a Fox release.
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News of the R1 CE (why didn't you report this Brad?):-
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=63520
Meh @ loss of DTS. If it has the full opening credits intact and the proper X-files-esque threatrical captions then this is a must buy for me.
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=63520
Meh @ loss of DTS. If it has the full opening credits intact and the proper X-files-esque threatrical captions then this is a must buy for me.
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Because Salty on the previous page did it for meEvaUnit02 wrote:News of the R1 CE (why didn't you report this Brad?):-
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=63520
My thoughts exactly.EvaUnit02 wrote:Meh @ loss of DTS. If it has the full opening credits intact and the proper X-files-esque threatrical captions then this is a must buy for me.
It does have extensive new extras, no commentary still thoughMarkgway wrote:There's no real improvement between the R2 SE and UE so I can't see the R1 UE having much to entice me to rebuy. No original stereo track either? I suppose the captions will be original but that's not enough for me to bother.
Not every film HAS to have the original mix. Sure on HK films when there's naff al to work with and often the remixes are over the top but for Western releases it's not really a big deal to lose it. IMO.
