Argento's Suspiria

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 11 Oct 2007, 23:20

bradavon wrote:There utter incompetence at creating 5.1 remixes aside (thankfully DD1.0/2.0 is usually included though) and this DVD I've no problem with AB.

1. Suspiria, anyone? - fucking atrocious remix and no original stereo

2. The Bedroom Window got laserrot and fucking died.

3. Tenebre - fucking atrocious transfer.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Oct 2007, 23:31

Why are you quoting me?

It was Romero who said he owned over 100 AB DVDs and also said "most stunning examples of how to make a dvd". Which I'd disagree with, they're perfectly okay though, on the whole.

I said "most" DVDs get the original soundtrack so point 1 is void. Laserrot doesn't affect all DVDs, even of the same release, point 2 is also void. I've never owned a disc which has it period. Suspiria is shit anyway, with a fucking atrocious dub (why would anyone want to watch it "this" way?). It would be fucking atrocious no matter what audio format is used.

According to Rewind some of the AB DVDs have English DD2.0:

http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=2446

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 12 Oct 2007, 01:11

Defensive much?

I was using your comment as a springboard.

My remarks apply equally to Romero.

I don't see how my points are "void" and to suggest Suspiria doesn't matter because "it's shit" is pretty fucking dumb.

But I've come to expect that.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Oct 2007, 01:25

Markgway wrote:My remarks apply equally to Romero.

Jeez all I said was remixes aside I've no problem with AB. Sorry my opinion isn't the same as yours. I was even agreeing with you on the remix front.

I don't see how my points are "void"

You were lambasting my comments based on things I didn't say.

Markgway wrote:to suggest Suspiria doesn't matter because "it's shit" is pretty fucking dumb.

I didn't suggest anything of the sort.

Markgway wrote:But I've come to expect that.

Ohh Catty.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 16 Oct 2007, 11:38

bradavon wrote:
Markgway wrote:to suggest Suspiria doesn't matter because "it's shit" is pretty fucking dumb.
I didn't suggest anything of the sort.

Oh really?

bradavon wrote: Suspiria is shit anyway

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 16 Oct 2007, 12:31

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 16 Oct 2007, 14:23

That was a different sentence. I'd have thought someone with your intellect Eva would have noticed. Of course it matters, all films should be given the best possible DVD.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 16 Oct 2007, 14:35

Man i´d love a HD version of Suspiria.one of the most awesome openings to a film ever.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 16 Oct 2007, 17:06

Suspiria has some great sequences and atmosphere, but the script is awfully thin and my tastes lean more twoard giallo than fantasy. My favourite used to be Deep Red, but I ddin't enjoy it as much last time, which is why I'm selling it. I'd now say Tenebre is Argento's best film.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 16 Oct 2007, 18:05

Suspiria is awesome, Brad must be the only person on the planet not to like it.

I'm very happy with Anchor Bay dvd. I don't kow it there are some audio cliches but please don't tell me if there are. I don't want to know. The italian mono sounds good to me and I don't want that to change

I never cared that much for Profondo rosso but Tenebre is good. It's my third favourite Argento, Phenomena being number two.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 16 Oct 2007, 18:37

HungFist wrote:I'm very happy with Anchor Bay dvd. I don't kow it there are some audio cliches but please don't tell me if there are. I don't want to know. The italian mono sounds good to me and I don't want that to change

You can't make a statement like that and expect me not to respond!

1. Suspiria should be seen in English, which is the intended audio language.

2. The 5.1 remix messes up the sound levels.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 16 Oct 2007, 18:37

Suspiria is not shit, its one of the worst films of all time

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 16 Oct 2007, 18:38

See, Brad and Romero hate it, now you all know it's good!! 8)

If Tom hates it too we have a full house.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 16 Oct 2007, 18:45

@ Mark

HungFist wrote:Suspiria is awesome, Brad must be the only person on the planet not to like it.

I seriously doubt that. I doubt the general public for instance would put up with the ghastly English dub.

Markgway wrote:1. Suspiria should be seen in English, which is the intended audio language.

Well Argento should've hired actors who could bloody speak it then

romerojpg wrote:Suspiria is not shit, its one of the worst films of all time

Nicely put

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 16 Oct 2007, 18:49

bradavon wrote:Well Argento should've hired actors who could bloody speak it then

Erm... Jessica Harper... Joan Bennett... Alida Valli... the three main actresses all spoke English.

Only the supporting players were dubbed by voice artists (even though the actors themselves mostly spoke English on set).

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 16 Oct 2007, 18:51

Markgway wrote:
HungFist wrote:I'm very happy with Anchor Bay dvd. I don't kow it there are some audio cliches but please don't tell me if there are. I don't want to know. The italian mono sounds good to me and I don't want that to change
You can't make a statement like that and expect me not to respond!

1. Suspiria should be seen in English, which is the intended audio language.

2. The 5.1 remix messes up the sound levels.

Ah, I'm so happy you're only commenting the english tracks which I couldn't care less

bradavon wrote:
HungFist wrote:Suspiria is awesome, Brad must be the only person on the planet not to like it.
I seriously doubt that. I doubt the general public for instance would put up with the ghastly English dub.

Only if 'general public' equals to 'Brad and Romero'. And that would be pretty scary.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 16 Oct 2007, 18:52

HungFist wrote:Ah, I'm so happy you're only commenting the english tracks which I couldn't care less

Sorry, I didn't realise you were Italian.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 16 Oct 2007, 19:02

Markgway wrote:Erm... Jessica Harper... Joan Bennett... Alida Valli... the three main actresses all spoke English.

You must be mistaken I'll correct it for you:

"Erm... Jessica Harper... Joan Bennett... Alida Valli... the three main actresses all spoke Engrish."

There is no excuse to dub anyone anyway. Only a sloppy director does that. If your supporting cast cannot speak the required language fine others who can. Especially when we're talking "supporting" cast.

Only if 'general public' equals to 'Brad and Romero'. And that would be pretty scary.

That's funny I don't recall ever seeing Suspria in any general top 100 let alone top 10. "The only person" I think not

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 16 Oct 2007, 19:10

bradavon wrote:"Erm... Jessica Harper... Joan Bennett... Alida Valli... the three main actresses all spoke Engrish."

Engrish?? What are you talking about?

There is no excuse to dub anyone anyway.

I believe the films were shot without sound.

If your supporting cast cannot speak the required language fine others who can.

Mostly they could, it's just that the accents were too thick, and finding name actors from the west to fill every small part would've cost too much for an Italian prod. company.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 16 Oct 2007, 19:23

bradavon wrote: That's funny I don't recall ever seeing Suspria in any general top 100 let alone top 10. "The only person" I think not

Here’s one list for you:
http://www.totalfilm.com/movie_news/the ... f_all_time

But I don’t really know where to look for ”respectable” lists because I’m not familiar with horror genre. But Suspiria is one of the horror movies I always hear mentioned when people are talking about the best horror movies ever made. I also don’t recall reading too many reviews that didn’t give it 5/5 or 10/10.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 16 Oct 2007, 19:29

HungFist wrote:Here’s one list for you:
http://www.totalfilm.com/movie_news/the ... f_all_time

Touché

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 16 Oct 2007, 19:32

Let me guess; you hate The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Dawn of the Dead, too?

Hmm... I wonder if we've gone off-topic enough yet

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 17 Oct 2007, 07:01

Brad, you do realise that for several decades the majority of Italian films were made without sync-sound? Mainly because it was impractical/uneconomical. Even arthouse ones, Fellini loved making up dialogue after the fact.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 17 Oct 2007, 12:32

I still don't understand his "Engrish" comment??

slasher13 · Post by **slasher13** » 17 Oct 2007, 13:33

EvaUnit02 wrote:Brad, you do realise that for several decades the majority of Italian films were made without sync-sound? Mainly because it was impractical/uneconomical. Even arthouse ones, Fellini loved making up dialogue after the fact.

Likewise Hong Kong companies have been doing the same. Suspira is a cool surreal film, I have the limited edition, happy with it. Like the Goblin soundtrack, but really I think you have to be a horror fan to enjoy the movie.