TBH, I'm not saying what they're doing is right, but Israelis have done a hell of a lot worse, if you look beyond the events of this past year.grim_tales wrote:Yeah but Hezbollah started the latest spat didnt they by firing rockets at Israelis?
Didnt mean to bring up Hezzbollah, sorry.
F* you.Tom & Grim wrote:-One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
-Sometimes I think you just post this stuff to see what response you will get.
If I came across that way, I apologisetom2681 wrote:F* you.Tom & Grim wrote:-One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
-Sometimes I think you just post this stuff to see what response you will get.
You can disagree with my opinions, but don't imply that I'm not serious about them.
Its' a fairly radical opinion, lets just say I don't agree. 
Amen!Yi-Long wrote:Israel is a terrorist nation. Nothing more, nothing less.
Amen! Palestinians are not responsible for the Holocaust after all. Israel is an artificial structure in the Middle East. Since day 0 it was created after WW2, it has been in a state of war. This is no condition for a "peaceful" nation.I really wish the west would stop defending israel's actions all the time
Well, if they didn't, then I am wondering what has actually happened there. On all the images and footage I have seen so far, I have not seen a single woman with even a rock in her hand to throw. What's so unimaginable about the fact that the Israeli military would indeed say "Innocent women - attack!", especially when you look at their back record of children killed at high numbers.grim_tales wrote:The Israelis hardly said "Innocent women - attack!" did they?
They were at that very moment and are still now. Maybe not in the building itself, but they are protecting them around the world. Do you read any papers apart from The Sun? Maybe a subscription to Newsweek would help.How were the US protecting killers when 3000+ people died on 9/11?
Out-of-fashion? What an odd, frivolous term to use about the taking of human life.thelostdragon wrote:Suicidebombings haven't happened in Palestine in a very long time, Mark. You'll find it every now and then, but it is out of fashion really.
Oh, I see, just because they can't blow up The Republican Party, it's therefore justified for them to slaughter 3,000 innocents in their place. Yes, I can see how that makes so much sense, now.I'd interpret the attack to be an attack on America and not on the innocent people inside the building and in the area. Why? As they have no opportunity to work against and hit America in political ways.
Well, just because you can't see them openly doesn't mean they weren't there? If there were no militants then the Israelis did a terrible thing and should be punished accordingly. As has been said before "killing women looks bad" so I can't imagine Israel would be stupid enough to do it on a whim knowing it would be seen on international television.Looking at the picture here and on the images on TV, I can't see militants being killed. I only see women killed. Women, like my aunt and my cousins who live in the area. And for the fact that it could be them in that picture I am not willing to believe that they deserve death by a murderous attack by Israeli troops.
True, Israel was founded on terrorism... but that doesn't justify the killing of civilians does it? A bunch of people going to school or work shot or bombed to death to prove some political point? That's insane logic. Even if you can justify attacks on military personnel you can't justify same on innocents (and by that I mean those not involved in conflict).Yi-Long wrote:Israel is a terrorist nation. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ah, OK. So let's say I'm Israeli. Let's say my parents were killed by Palestinians. I can't actually get to Palestine to take revenge so how about I just shoot the paki round the corner in the head. He's asian. It's all the same. Now that stupid hypotheses presents pretty much the same logic as your argument.thelostdragon wrote:They were at that very moment and are still now. Maybe not in the building itself, but they are protecting them around the world.How were the US protecting killers when 3000+ people died on 9/11?
What like The Guardian? Don't be so condescending toward Grim. You don't know what he reads and can't dismiss his opinions by implying he's stupid.Do you read any papers apart from The Sun? Maybe a subscription to Newsweek would help.
That would be stupid of you to do, Mark, because the killing of the next door Pakistani wouldn't hurt the Palestinian government. 9/11 did hurt the US in a lot of ways (on first sight only that is, because in the end the US gained a lot from 9/11).Markgway wrote:Ah, OK. So let's say I'm Israeli. Let's say my parents were killed by Palestinians. I can't actually get to Palestine to take revenge so how about I just shoot the paki round the corner in the head. He's asian. It's all the same.
It was neither my intention to offend grim in a personal manner, nor was it to imply he was stupid. If he feels offended I'll apologise. I might got a bit personal after he implied that I didn't like America as if it was a fact you could look up in a dictionary.What like The Guardian? Don't be so condescending toward Grim. You don't know what he reads and can't dismiss his opinions by implying he's stupid.Do you read any papers apart from The Sun? Maybe a subscription to Newsweek would help.
) but one hardly justifies the other, IMO.
Come on Mark no need of that... sorry its just that I have grown up with that word being used by racist people (Tooting in the 80's was not a fun place to grow up, esp when people use to say p*ki-bashing), so whenever I read that it reminds me of a most horrible time...Markgway wrote: I can't actually get to Palestine to take revenge so how about I just shoot the paki round the corner in the head.
Yup, but you got to see Israel are doing the same, case in hand:but that doesn't justify the killing of civilians does it? A bunch of people going to school or work shot or bombed to death to prove some political point? That's insane logic.
So basically US are going after Iran because they don't want them to shoot nuclear weapons, but its okay for Israel to do that?LONDON (AFP) - Scientists studying samples of soil thrown up by Israeli bombing in Lebanon have shown high radiation levels, suggesting uranium-based munitions were used, a British newspaper reports.
The samples were taken from two bomb craters in Khiam and At-Tiri and have been sent for further analysis to the Harwell laboratory in Oxfordshire, southern England, for mass spectrometry used by the Ministry of Defence, The Independent said.
The samples thrown up by Israeli heavy or guided bombs showed "elevated radiation signatures," Chris Busby, the British scientific secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, was quoted as saying.
Britain's Ministry of Defence has confirmed the concentration of uranium isotopes in the samples
I'm sorry you suffered racism, I really am... but my use of the word was pointed and non-gratuitous.slasher13 wrote:Come on Mark no need of that... sorry its just that I have grown up with that word being used by racist people (Tooting in the 80's was not a fun place to grow up, esp when people use to say p*ki-bashing), so whenever I read that it reminds me of a most horrible time...
If Israeli soldiers shot an unarmed young girl they should be brought to justice. That would be murder plain and simple. But this still doesn't justify militants killing indiscriminatly does it? That's what I'm saying. Not that the Israelis are perfect or "good guys".Yup, but you got to see Israel are doing the same, case in hand:
Why did a sniper shoot a 12 year old girl, what the bloody hell was the logic behind this, I think you could prob tell an 12 year old girl..
Because London is afraid to upset the Americans for whom Israeli is a pet.How comes the US/UK don't condemn Israel for the following:LONDON (AFP) - Scientists studying samples of soil thrown up by Israeli bombing in Lebanon have shown high radiation levels, suggesting uranium-based munitions were used, a British newspaper reports.
Hypocrisy.So basically US are going after Iran because they don't want them to shoot nuclear weapons, but its okay for Israel to do that?
Media bias at play again. There's no such thing as an unbiased news outlet. Eg BBC News = heavy left-leaning, although they'll deny it. Fox News = heavy right-leaning, although they'll deny it.thelostdragon wrote:Looking at the picture here and on the images on TV, I can't see militants being killed. I only see women killed.