Films you found to be not as good as the hype...

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 Apr 2009, 16:38

I'd be surprised if anyone disagrees. I love them all though. I meant all three when I said Star Wars.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 10 Apr 2009, 21:55

How come people think aging is bad? I'd say on the contrary, even bad movies may become slightly more interesting when they get old.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 Apr 2009, 23:12

Who said that? Sure Joe Public might but I doubt many here do. Like Eva says, the 70s were easily the best decade for American movies.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 10 Apr 2009, 23:28

bradavon wrote:Who said that?

Sam said Star Wars had dated appallingly, and then I misread your reply, thinking you said "I'd be surprised if anyone disagrees"

bradavon wrote:Like Eva says, the 70s were easily the best decade for American movies.

The 70's were pretty much the best decade for movies of any origin. Except Finland. We haven't had a good decade yet

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 Apr 2009, 23:34

You barely have a film business, right? Ours used to be much bigger, sadly it's a shell of it's former self

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Sam said Star Wars had dated, not old films in general. He loves old school martial arts remember. I happen to think Goldeneye has date really badly, where the other Brosnan Bonds haven't. A lot of this down to Brosnan's awful mullet of a hair cut in Goldeneye, what were they thinking? Thankfully fixed for Tomorrow Never Dies.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 10 Apr 2009, 23:44

bradavon wrote:You barely have a film business, right?

Our film business is Aki Kaurismäki

bradavon wrote:Goldeneye

That's the only good Bond film Brosnan ever did.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Apr 2009, 00:17

It doesn't stop it from dating badly.

Although I disagree Tomorrow Never Dies is better (except for the weak villain) and The World is Not Enough is probably better (I'm unsure), except for the ridiculous idea of including Denise Richards (amazing body though!).

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 11 Apr 2009, 02:11

People always slag off Jaws for a crap Shark. I still to this day have no clue what film they watch, its a shark it looks real and it looks big, What the fuck do they want

CGI? morons.

Unlike 99% of other films the Shark in Jaws looks real and feels right.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Apr 2009, 13:19

Really? I've never heard anyone slag off Jaws. It's far more impressive than the shit Shark in Deep Blue Sea.

Didn't those Sharks have guns?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 11 Apr 2009, 14:08

Yi-Long wrote:They should remake the complete Star Wars saga in gorgeous CGI. I've said so many times before. I'm not a fan of the movies, but I do love the vision, the design and the epic scope of the story and it's universe. The movies are let down by mediocre acting and dialogue, and poor special effects.

Then they'd be like post-Tartakovsky Clone Wars, stuff aimed at tweens that's groan-inducing for adults.

It's also a fucking stupid idea in general. If you want to experience a redone saga, then just go play Lego Star Wars.

bradavon wrote:Like Eva says, the 70s were easily the best decade for American movies.

The late 60's to early 80's is what I consider truly best period of American Cinema, where filmmakers made a lot raw feeling, personal films - many of which were character studies (eg Taxi Driver, Fat City, The Conversation) Scorsese's marvellous The King of Comedy was the end of this era.

The majority of the 1980's was dominated by the Blockbuster, where a lot of power was taken out of the directors' hands and held by the producers' - ie Bruckheimer/Simpson.

bradavon wrote:I thought the same about Lost Highway, Weird for sake of being weird.

I take it you heard what Lynch did with the cow? Hilarious .

I haven't seen Lost Highway. What is this cow scenario that you're talking about? Don't go into detail if it's a spoiler for Lost Highway though, ta.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 11 Apr 2009, 14:14

bradavon wrote:Really? I've never heard anyone slag off Jaws. It's far more impressive than the shit Shark in Deep Blue Sea.

Didn't those Sharks have guns?

Yup every film person seems to hate Jaws shark, even the makers hate it. Strange, they all seem to think it does not look real, no idea what they want as even to this day its a cracker and filmed so well to make it look real.

But yup Deep Blu Sea has a few good robot sharks, but the CGI ones are CGI and obviously CGI. But no guns

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Apr 2009, 14:53

EvaUnit02 wrote:The majority of the 1980's was dominated by the Blockbuster, where a lot of power was taken out of the directors' hands and held by the producers' - ie Bruckheimer/Simpson.

Sure this decade gave us the likes of Terminator but otherwise the 80s largely killed (or made it seriously weaker) "proper" cinema

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EvaUnit02 wrote:What is this cow scenario that you're talking about? Don't go into detail if it's a spoiler for Lost Highway though, ta.

I was talking about Inland Empire sorry. Lynch was so convinced Laura Dern should've been nominated best actress at the Oscars he went down to Man's Chinese theatre with a cow and . . .

Is there a cow in Inland Empire? Otherwise WTF!

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 11 Apr 2009, 14:57

bradavon wrote: Is there a cow in Inland Empire? Otherwise WTF!

Thts the point, he knows the film makes little sense, so why not throw in a cow for a laff

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 11 Apr 2009, 17:27

1. Brosnan never had a mullet in Goldeneye or anything close.

2. I've never had a problem with The Shark in Jaws (and yes many do sneer at it and have done since its release).

3. Those 70s films spoken of obviously have much to admire but frankly I'd rather watch an 80s blockbuster. That's just me. 8)

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 11 Apr 2009, 19:16

What 80s blockbusters do you admire Mark? It's true that the 80s heralded the death knell for "director's films" but it's also true that the 80s saw a lot of great populist Hollywood blockbusters!

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 12 Apr 2009, 12:15

The 80s emphasised entertainment over directorial self-indulgence. Didn't matter if it was personal or artistic as long as the audience liked it. And whilst I admire many 70s films I enjoy 80s films a lot more.

Examples:

The Abyss, Aliens, Back to the Future, Batman, The Breakfast Club, Casualties of War, Die Hard, Dressed to Kill, Indiana Jones, Lethal Weapon, Midnight Run, Platoon, Robocop, The Terminator, The Thing, The Untouchables, etc...

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 12 Apr 2009, 14:12

Markgway wrote:The Breakfast Club

Ah, thanks for reminding me about this one.

The Breakfast Club - 2/5
The easily the worst of the John Hughes films that I've seen thus far. The story is totally unbelievable, all of these dramatically different kids in detention who've never socialised with each other before then, becoming friends within the space of a day.

I couldn't relate to any of these characters at all. Perhaps it's something specific to American school culture, but AFAIK none of these stereotypes and the dynamics between them existed in my neck of the woods.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 12 Apr 2009, 14:51

EvaUnit02 wrote: I couldn't relate to any of these characters at all. Perhaps it's something specific to American school culture, but AFAIK none of these stereotypes and the dynamics between them existed in my neck of the woods.

Nor do I, but I get it, the silly americans

stereotypes run amweica.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Apr 2009, 15:50

I like Breakfast Club but of course it's totally unrealistic and like you say Eva is very specific to American school culture, which is much more of a big thing than most other countries.

Markgway wrote:1. Brosnan never had a mullet in Goldeneye or anything close.

He so did. Go watch it again now.

Markgway wrote:3. Those 70s films spoken of obviously have much to admire but frankly I'd rather watch an 80s blockbuster. That's just me. 8)

I enjoy both for different reasons. They have very different feel to them.

Markgway wrote:Didn't matter if it was personal or artistic as long as the audience liked it.

Which brought in more tosh than good, a trend still continuing today. You can squarely blame the 80s for all the Asian remakes for example.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 12 Apr 2009, 16:58

EvaUnit02 wrote:The Breakfast Club - 2/5
The easily the worst of the John Hughes films that I've seen thus far.

16 Candles is more deserving of the classic status Breakfust Club managed to achieve.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 12 Apr 2009, 17:01

bradavon wrote:Which brought in more tosh than good, a trend still continuing today. You can squarely blame the 80s for all the Asian remakes for example.

Err, no you can't! Remakes in the 80s tended to be of the "re-envision old sci-fi classics" variety and were actually pretty damn good! If anything it was Asia frequently remaking/reworking US films in the 80s!

And if you're going to be that anal in linking the birth of blockbusters to the soulless Hollywood of the new Millennium, then you should go back to the 70s with Jaws, Star Wars, and Superman, which to this day are the archetypal "event" films

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 12 Apr 2009, 17:19

romerojpg wrote:
bradavon wrote: Is there a cow in Inland Empire? Otherwise WTF!
Thts the point, he knows the film makes little sense, so why not throw in a cow for a laff

He used a cow because he's saying that without cheese, Inland Empire would not have been possible.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Apr 2009, 18:35

Shingster wrote:Err, no you can't! Remakes in the 80s tended to be of the "re-envision old sci-fi classics" variety and were actually pretty damn good! If anything it was Asia frequently remaking/reworking US films in the 80s!

I was talking about remakes of Asian films in general and more so remakes of the last 5-10 years.

Shingster wrote:And if you're going to be that anal in linking the birth of blockbusters to the soulless Hollywood of the new Millennium, then you should go back to the 70s with Jaws, Star Wars, and Superman, which to this day are the archetypal "event" films

Of course but the ratio of "event/entertainment" vs. "serious"movies was much higher in the 80s vs. 70s.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 12 Apr 2009, 20:07

EvaUnit02 wrote:The easily the worst of the John Hughes films that I've seen thus far. The story is totally unbelievable, all of these dramatically different kids in detention who've never socialised with each other before then, becoming friends within the space of a day. I couldn't relate to any of these characters at all. Perhaps it's something specific to American school culture, but AFAIK none of these stereotypes and the dynamics between them existed in my neck of the woods.

Obviously it's a very American story about very American stereotypes. But I think the idea was to show that there's more to the stereotypes than meets the eye. I found it contained much more depth than almost any other teen comedy I've seen. And I think Eva has missed the point slightly. They won't be friends come Monday. They gained a certain respect for each other now that they've been forced into interaction (and probed beyond the surface) but the implication is that despite their smiles and cheerios very little will have changed. Maybe I'm just looking at it from a cyncial viewpoint. Anyone disagree?

And as for relating to it/them. Clearly it's a different culture we're talking about. But underneath the facades I recognised elements of truth in these characters. It doesn't take much imagination to fit these templates onto people we knew at school (in some cases maybe even ourselves?)

You guys never had a stuck-up bitch? A troublemaker? A sporty guy? The wierdo who always sat at the back? The nerd? Etc...

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 12 Apr 2009, 20:13

bradavon wrote:
Markgway wrote:1. Brosnan never had a mullet in Goldeneye or anything close.
He so did. Go watch it again now.

Brosnon does not have a mullet in Goldeneye. I don't need to watch it again. Do you even know what a mullet is?