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Sam said Star Wars had dated appallingly, and then I misread your reply, thinking you said "I'd be surprised if anyone disagrees"bradavon wrote:Who said that?
The 70's were pretty much the best decade for movies of any origin. Except Finland. We haven't had a good decade yetbradavon wrote:Like Eva says, the 70s were easily the best decade for American movies.
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You barely have a film business, right? Ours used to be much bigger, sadly it's a shell of it's former self
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Sam said Star Wars had dated, not old films in general. He loves old school martial arts remember. I happen to think Goldeneye has date really badly, where the other Brosnan Bonds haven't. A lot of this down to Brosnan's awful mullet of a hair cut in Goldeneye, what were they thinking? Thankfully fixed for Tomorrow Never Dies.
Sam said Star Wars had dated, not old films in general. He loves old school martial arts remember. I happen to think Goldeneye has date really badly, where the other Brosnan Bonds haven't. A lot of this down to Brosnan's awful mullet of a hair cut in Goldeneye, what were they thinking? Thankfully fixed for Tomorrow Never Dies.
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Then they'd be like post-Tartakovsky Clone Wars, stuff aimed at tweens that's groan-inducing for adults.Yi-Long wrote:They should remake the complete Star Wars saga in gorgeous CGI. I've said so many times before. I'm not a fan of the movies, but I do love the vision, the design and the epic scope of the story and it's universe. The movies are let down by mediocre acting and dialogue, and poor special effects.
It's also a fucking stupid idea in general. If you want to experience a redone saga, then just go play Lego Star Wars.
The late 60's to early 80's is what I consider truly best period of American Cinema, where filmmakers made a lot raw feeling, personal films - many of which were character studies (eg Taxi Driver, Fat City, The Conversation) Scorsese's marvellous The King of Comedy was the end of this era.bradavon wrote:Like Eva says, the 70s were easily the best decade for American movies.
The majority of the 1980's was dominated by the Blockbuster, where a lot of power was taken out of the directors' hands and held by the producers' - ie Bruckheimer/Simpson.
I haven't seen Lost Highway. What is this cow scenario that you're talking about? Don't go into detail if it's a spoiler for Lost Highway though, ta.bradavon wrote:I thought the same about Lost Highway, Weird for sake of being weird.
I take it you heard what Lynch did with the cow? Hilarious.
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Yup every film person seems to hate Jaws shark, even the makers hate it. Strange, they all seem to think it does not look real, no idea what they want as even to this day its a cracker and filmed so well to make it look real.bradavon wrote:Really? I've never heard anyone slag off Jaws. It's far more impressive than the shit Shark in Deep Blue Sea.
Didn't those Sharks have guns?
But yup Deep Blu Sea has a few good robot sharks, but the CGI ones are CGI and obviously CGI. But no guns
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Sure this decade gave us the likes of Terminator but otherwise the 80s largely killed (or made it seriously weaker) "proper" cinemaEvaUnit02 wrote:The majority of the 1980's was dominated by the Blockbuster, where a lot of power was taken out of the directors' hands and held by the producers' - ie Bruckheimer/Simpson.
I was talking about Inland Empire sorry. Lynch was so convinced Laura Dern should've been nominated best actress at the Oscars he went down to Man's Chinese theatre with a cow and . . .EvaUnit02 wrote:What is this cow scenario that you're talking about? Don't go into detail if it's a spoiler for Lost Highway though, ta.

Is there a cow in Inland Empire? Otherwise WTF!
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1. Brosnan never had a mullet in Goldeneye or anything close.
2. I've never had a problem with The Shark in Jaws (and yes many do sneer at it and have done since its release).
3. Those 70s films spoken of obviously have much to admire but frankly I'd rather watch an 80s blockbuster. That's just me. 8)
2. I've never had a problem with The Shark in Jaws (and yes many do sneer at it and have done since its release).
3. Those 70s films spoken of obviously have much to admire but frankly I'd rather watch an 80s blockbuster. That's just me. 8)
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The 80s emphasised entertainment over directorial self-indulgence. Didn't matter if it was personal or artistic as long as the audience liked it. And whilst I admire many 70s films I enjoy 80s films a lot more.
Examples:
The Abyss, Aliens, Back to the Future, Batman, The Breakfast Club, Casualties of War, Die Hard, Dressed to Kill, Indiana Jones, Lethal Weapon, Midnight Run, Platoon, Robocop, The Terminator, The Thing, The Untouchables, etc...
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The Abyss, Aliens, Back to the Future, Batman, The Breakfast Club, Casualties of War, Die Hard, Dressed to Kill, Indiana Jones, Lethal Weapon, Midnight Run, Platoon, Robocop, The Terminator, The Thing, The Untouchables, etc...
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Ah, thanks for reminding me about this one.Markgway wrote:The Breakfast Club
The Breakfast Club - 2/5
The easily the worst of the John Hughes films that I've seen thus far. The story is totally unbelievable, all of these dramatically different kids in detention who've never socialised with each other before then, becoming friends within the space of a day.
I couldn't relate to any of these characters at all. Perhaps it's something specific to American school culture, but AFAIK none of these stereotypes and the dynamics between them existed in my neck of the woods.
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I like Breakfast Club but of course it's totally unrealistic and like you say Eva is very specific to American school culture, which is much more of a big thing than most other countries.
He so did. Go watch it again now.Markgway wrote:1. Brosnan never had a mullet in Goldeneye or anything close.
I enjoy both for different reasons. They have very different feel to them.Markgway wrote:3. Those 70s films spoken of obviously have much to admire but frankly I'd rather watch an 80s blockbuster. That's just me. 8)
Which brought in more tosh than good, a trend still continuing today. You can squarely blame the 80s for all the Asian remakes for example.Markgway wrote:Didn't matter if it was personal or artistic as long as the audience liked it.
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Err, no you can't! Remakes in the 80s tended to be of the "re-envision old sci-fi classics" variety and were actually pretty damn good! If anything it was Asia frequently remaking/reworking US films in the 80s!bradavon wrote:Which brought in more tosh than good, a trend still continuing today. You can squarely blame the 80s for all the Asian remakes for example.
And if you're going to be that anal in linking the birth of blockbusters to the soulless Hollywood of the new Millennium, then you should go back to the 70s with Jaws, Star Wars, and Superman, which to this day are the archetypal "event" films
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I was talking about remakes of Asian films in general and more so remakes of the last 5-10 years.Shingster wrote:Err, no you can't! Remakes in the 80s tended to be of the "re-envision old sci-fi classics" variety and were actually pretty damn good! If anything it was Asia frequently remaking/reworking US films in the 80s!
Of course but the ratio of "event/entertainment" vs. "serious"movies was much higher in the 80s vs. 70s.Shingster wrote:And if you're going to be that anal in linking the birth of blockbusters to the soulless Hollywood of the new Millennium, then you should go back to the 70s with Jaws, Star Wars, and Superman, which to this day are the archetypal "event" films
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Obviously it's a very American story about very American stereotypes. But I think the idea was to show that there's more to the stereotypes than meets the eye. I found it contained much more depth than almost any other teen comedy I've seen. And I think Eva has missed the point slightly. They won't be friends come Monday. They gained a certain respect for each other now that they've been forced into interaction (and probed beyond the surface) but the implication is that despite their smiles and cheerios very little will have changed. Maybe I'm just looking at it from a cyncial viewpoint. Anyone disagree?EvaUnit02 wrote:The easily the worst of the John Hughes films that I've seen thus far. The story is totally unbelievable, all of these dramatically different kids in detention who've never socialised with each other before then, becoming friends within the space of a day. I couldn't relate to any of these characters at all. Perhaps it's something specific to American school culture, but AFAIK none of these stereotypes and the dynamics between them existed in my neck of the woods.
And as for relating to it/them. Clearly it's a different culture we're talking about. But underneath the facades I recognised elements of truth in these characters. It doesn't take much imagination to fit these templates onto people we knew at school (in some cases maybe even ourselves?)
You guys never had a stuck-up bitch? A troublemaker? A sporty guy? The wierdo who always sat at the back? The nerd? Etc...
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