Gaza women killed in mosque siege - WTF???

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 04 Nov 2006, 00:52

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6112386.stm

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 04 Nov 2006, 01:10

"Two women have been killed as Israeli troops opened fire on a crowd of women gathered to help besieged gunmen flee a mosque in Beit Hanoun in northern Gaza."

"One of the women told the BBC they had dressed the militants in women's clothes to help them escape."

"The Israeli military said the women were used as "human shields" and that there had been armed men in the crowd."

Surely these women knew they were putting themselves in grave danger protecting terrorists??

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 04 Nov 2006, 01:14

I think they all know they're all in danger pretty much 24/7, living in Palestina with gun-happy jewish soldiers around...

I saw justa flash of the news on TV, havent seen anything in-depth, but the palestines will have their side of the story and Israel will justify their actions by the 'we're hunting down terrorists and sometimes innocent people might be caught by our bullets by mistake' bit...

Soldiers gunning down women always looks bad though...

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 04 Nov 2006, 01:15

Markgway wrote:Surely these women knew they were putting themselves in grave danger protecting terrorists??

Terrorists? What terrorists? It's funny how any Arab/Muslim with a gun is put in the same drawer with terrorists. The Israeli government has been spreading more terror this year than ever.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 04 Nov 2006, 01:23

Just because the Israelis are trigger happy doesn't automatically mean those that were shot were somehow innocent. That distorts the truth. I'm sure these militants (if you don't wanna call them what they most likely are) would happily kill Israeli soldiers given half a chance. It's not like we're talking about unarmed peace-loving people here. So stop the "everyone hates us Arabs" nonsense. If the victims were not involved in protecting militants I would be the first to condemn. I'm not even saying that the shootings were justified just that the story isn't as one-sided as your title header implies.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 04 Nov 2006, 01:26

Markgway wrote:So stop the "everyone hates us Arabs" nonsense.

Have never started it. You just imply so.

And as Yi said:
Soldiers gunning down women always looks bad.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 04 Nov 2006, 01:34

thelostdragon wrote:
Markgway wrote:So stop the "everyone hates us Arabs" nonsense.
Have never started it. You just imply so.

thelostdragon wrote:It's funny how any Arab/Muslim with a gun is put in the same drawer with terrorists.

thelostdragon wrote:And as Yi said: Soldiers gunning down women always looks bad.

Yeah, but that's media perception. I don't draw any lines at gender when it comes to possible terrorist activity. A woman can be as deadly as a man with a gun or a bomb.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 04 Nov 2006, 01:37

Yeah, especially the women on the above photo. And even more the ones laying on the ground there.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 04 Nov 2006, 08:50

As far as I can make out, they were being used to "protect" the Palestinian/HAMAS gunmen inside. HAMAS used them as human shields. But according to the BBC there's no evidence any men were carrying guns.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 04 Nov 2006, 14:30

Try to protect kilers and you deserve everything that comes to you.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 04 Nov 2006, 14:55

Thanks to Romero's insightful reply, this topic has been moved to Debate.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 04 Nov 2006, 15:38

There is no debate, protecting murdering scum has a downside, this is it.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 04 Nov 2006, 15:48

It's the "murdering scum" bit that bothers me, you see.
From my POV it's the Israeli who are terrorists.

I happen to be pro-Hamas.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 04 Nov 2006, 15:51

Doesnt matter which side you are on, both sides murder a lot of the time just to get some sort of reaction. If that isnt a scummy thing to do then I dont know what is.

Both sides are just as bad as each other, killing innocent people all the time.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 04 Nov 2006, 16:01

Can't believe I actually understand what Romero is saying

Hamas are militants who got their fighters to dress up as innocent people and/or be used as human shields to protect some BESIEGED GUNMEN who would have killed Israelis. Being trigger happy is indeed wrong, but what would you have done Tom/LD? Hamas are hardly paragons, they are miltants and at worst, terrorists. Nasty Israeli badmen

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 04 Nov 2006, 16:14

The thing is there will be retribution killings for this event, and once again it will go on and on

there is no end to it, ever.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 04 Nov 2006, 16:31

tom2681 wrote:It's the "murdering scum" bit that bothers me, you see.
From my POV it's the Israeli who are terrorists. I happen to be pro-Hamas.

That's just supporting one bunch of terrorists over another isn't it?

You can't condemn one side and the praise the other for doing the same damn thing.

If the Israelis shot unarmed women then that's unfortunate, but they knew what the consequences of protecting terrorists would be. You can't argue with that, unless you happen to think killing Israelis is OK? In which case why am I wasting my time talking to you?

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 04 Nov 2006, 17:08

Mark for PM

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 04 Nov 2006, 17:42

That's just supporting one bunch of terrorists over another isn't it?

@Mark:
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 04 Nov 2006, 22:09

romerojpg wrote:Try to protect kilers and you deserve everything that comes to you.

If this is the case then your opinion on 9/11 is that the USA deserved it, because they are protecting killers around the world as well (e.g. in Africa, or the Israeli government). That would be the logical consequence if going by your opinion.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 05 Nov 2006, 01:24

thelostdragon wrote:If this is the case then your opinion on 9/11 is that the USA deserved it, because they are protecting killers around the world as well (e.g. in Africa, or the Israeli government). That would be the logical consequence if going by your opinion.

Absolutely rubbish and beneath your intelligence. 3,000 innocent people died on 9/11 not the American foreign policy. You've just justified mass slaughter and that's a disgrace. The Israelis killed militants and those protecting militants. Whom in The Twin Towers was doing that exactly? And Tom, spare me the freedom fighter bullshit. Blowing yourself up on a bus full of men, women and children is not protecting yourself from an army out to get you. This liberal crap may wash with some, but I'm frankly above that. Hamas are terrorists, they don't just fend off military attacks and you know it. I don't justify the worst excesses of Israeli militarism that affect innocents, so why do you defend Hamas? Probably because it's fashionable to be anti-establishment? I went to Uni Tom, I've met dozens of people like you. I'm not fooled in the slightest.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 05 Nov 2006, 05:38

Suicidebombings haven't happened in Palestine in a very long time, Mark. You'll find it every now and then, but it is out of fashion really.

As for 9/11... if I put the story in the way that it was all a terrorist thing (and this is another endless discussion) I'd interpret the attack to be an attack on America and not on the innocent people inside the building and in the area. Why? As they have no opportunity to work against and hit America in political ways.

The Israelis killed militants and those protecting militants.

Looking at the picture here and on the images on TV, I can't see militants being killed. I only see women killed. Women, like my aunt and my cousins who live in the area. And for the fact that it could be them in that picture I am not willing to believe that they deserve death by a murderous attack by Israeli troops.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 05 Nov 2006, 09:40

It might be militants dressed in women's clothes? Anyway LD they were going AFTER THOSE WHO WERE PROTECTING MILITANTS. Yet again you've tried to say this is the same as 9/11 which is a bunch of BS - on 9/11 it was innocents who were targeted on purpose on a mass scale. I know you don't like America and Israel is America's best buddy, but sometimes it goes too far.
The Israelis hardly said "Innocent women - attack!" did they?
How were the US protecting killers when 3000+ people died on 9/11?

Tom wrote:One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

That is bollocks and you know it. Sometimes I think you just post this stuff to see what response you will get. Hamas/Hezbollah are not freedom fighters.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 05 Nov 2006, 10:54

A little harsh there I think... Hezbollah have been trying to win back the land taken by Israelis decades ago. I would say that the Israeli army is more of a terrorist than Hezbollah will ever be.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 05 Nov 2006, 11:00

Yeah but Hezbollah started the latest spat didnt they by firing rockets at Israelis?
Didnt mean to bring up Hezzbollah, sorry.